From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andreas Schwab Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#11912: 24.1; 'M' in Dired on a symlink does not refresh the display Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:07:18 +0200 Message-ID: <875yvsuwo9.fsf@igel.home> References: <83txxeb6q8.fsf@gnu.org> <87tujf9m52.fsf@cnu407c2zx.nsn-intra.net> <87fsuyonpv.fsf@gnus.org> <8678ec5a-a5f2-8ae4-6212-c377c3abe9e8@cs.ucla.edu> <871r6hn64r.fsf@gnus.org> <87y28o1fc3.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7926"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) Cc: mvar.40k@gmail.com, 11912@debbugs.gnu.org, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, Richard Stallman To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 26 16:08:15 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mJG3C-0001oq-BL for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:08:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48532 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mJG3A-0006Bt-OC for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 10:08:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34936) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mJG31-0006AG-BM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 10:08:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:38419) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mJG30-0006jM-Lq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 10:08:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mJG30-0001k8-Ft for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 10:08:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 14:08:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11912 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 11912-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11912.16299868466654 (code B ref 11912); Thu, 26 Aug 2021 14:08:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 11912) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Aug 2021 14:07:26 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49965 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mJG2Q-0001jG-08 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 10:07:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:43531) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mJG2N-0001j7-Us for 11912@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 10:07:24 -0400 Original-Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4GwPmp33dSz1sHHb; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:07:21 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4GwPmn2z1cz1r6P8; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:07:21 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Original-Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZvnqDN8L-HkL; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:07:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: S8x/dO1zh2qBV3cXt03uONWPTF9QWWxwo7l8gZTQG8nTZBle7/Jl10KuNwoV/SIk Original-Received: from igel.home (ppp-46-244-172-67.dynamic.mnet-online.de [46.244.172.67]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:07:20 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D254C2C2663; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:07:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Yow: Ha ha Ha ha Ha ha Ha Ha Ha Ha -- When will I EVER stop HAVING FUN?!! In-Reply-To: <87y28o1fc3.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 26 Aug 2021 15:54:36 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:212713 Archived-At: On Aug 26 2021, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Richard Stallman writes: > >> I wouldn't assume that a user who uses M on a symlink in Dired wants >> to alter the file it points to. I think it is more likely that the >> user did not realize it might do that. Suppose you operate on 10 >> files and one is a symlink -- you might not even have noticed that one >> is as symlink. > > Yes, that's a good point. It's always ambiguous what the user really > wants to do when doing operations on symlinks, and making Dired always > "edit what's actually in the buffer" (i.e., the symlink itself) makes it > less ambiguous (even if it might surprise people who expected Posix > semantics). But if the dired buffer was created with ls -L, shouldn't M follow links? Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different."