From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#57003: 28.1.90; Can local variables be loaded before loading major mode? Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2022 14:44:49 +0200 Message-ID: <875yj443zy.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87czdeoqy7.fsf@localhost> <87v8r54j3h.fsf@gnus.org> <875yj5xzou.fsf@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38398"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 57003@debbugs.gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 07 14:46:18 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oKffe-0009qr-3H for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 07 Aug 2022 14:46:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38278 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oKffc-00082q-Gr for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 07 Aug 2022 08:46:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42480) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oKffO-00082L-Ee for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Aug 2022 08:46:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46386) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oKffO-0000mc-2h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Aug 2022 08:46:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oKffN-0004hn-Rj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Aug 2022 08:46:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2022 12:46:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57003 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 57003-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57003.165987630217995 (code B ref 57003); Sun, 07 Aug 2022 12:46:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 57003) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Aug 2022 12:45:02 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36135 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oKfeP-0004fw-NI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Aug 2022 08:45:02 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:56596) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oKfeM-0004fi-O8 for 57003@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 07 Aug 2022 08:45:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=LTOg4WdfU5c0irnCPJnqSENLIPrRjYZU0FBfV1lnyEk=; b=PjtWPgD6CiHyyWSx/Y+Yg/1cGd LYMyhQ6TFxh0xgJiAO4EquLR+iDdcFyScuo7uowRsiOMOMzeIj1Ud/Y+9BbBgYQMO0eXkXhiHMt+z vHHVC9+jLDXxqSEaVcP2r+sEC3TrsJ+OPjSo4GcK7ns7Jmy5PVpU3dzAGmA3/gemyFCU=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=joga) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oKfeE-0006Us-5C; Sun, 07 Aug 2022 14:44:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: <875yj5xzou.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Sat, 06 Aug 2022 21:35:13 +0800") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:239046 Archived-At: Ihor Radchenko writes: > We have a variable org-startup-folded: > > Non-nil means entering Org mode will switch to OVERVIEW. > > This variable controls the initial state of the Org buffer. > When, non-nil, headings will be folded at the end of Org initialization. > This folding happens inside org-mode specification and hence setting the > variable after Org mode is loaded makes no difference. I see. In that case, it does seem attractive to allow file-local variables to set the variables before running the mode. However, as Visuwesh points out, a major mode clears buffer-local variables, so just setting them before running the mode won't do anything. So I think the interface here is just a bit confused and confusing. It would make more sense to allow users to do these things via mode hooks/interface functions instead of variables.