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Sat, 21 Jan 2023 21:27:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: <837cxflm9c.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 21 Jan 2023 21:29:19 +0200") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:zhnH12oVT9mnJSXY0NFCOYOKsS9Xu+Y86ae16shgzwsQBZwh78v fBcXv6EvHtOD/TVpIP8AvabxRA6QZxYaNZwZOaSldnk726lCWJZzt0Bv8ibP3ca1FNsdVVp Qks5sQVz/iOXZWAbKKwgaCY810UKVM7C3jZmpoo9NFwBpyczA90zA8LH7zOIRlj/aNuMH1M RZ7WXoUXMsVDhhYihlRBg== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:DOv2a9pgF9I=;0WlpeZQy1ZoZkCPaboqX0+pAoYA tE0K9i1R39D8D5g66FEkLmByRSbTLJNRx0yiTr7zP0msXR6ZKZTakbn75jBNCEObszxWyQ6Xc zsK0sxNJwl2NQrGlTnpvpIh4szVY0XbvX5OyltAP81+5ODZBDNYHRzgCj6s004eQqs+fv1Xdx oH9f9rq50wtcJAnngcZRVFpPjkqZdS8dwtE/cpb9VZwyLfWJvaTR86PjjKOlddhw4keOvQGKT OqmQQqs/VdFjvATzfY4+bQWv60SODn+Rn8BzA39S1qBc0fHpsFFE5o5pr3OiPx+Yntobe4DDa r/5g84j58W9SzvkRkzQtjMSNkSxAQ4xgIPxJ27GosqbktiKeQ6Y/jAENBlt0lA4NtJh9VDTtm JkH0Tgwea9bTGKb/4lwfK5IYOcOX5l7zkVumTQDmQKumsJ+ixsZ/eEGaXugacjrAshoYcisFU C0DYxQ/HrgR7/Isy3C0lF+gAZKr8af6FrRot77lwAigfpMyNzq9wtkxJemEEAu5C3Qjg8cMoH Xw0+9VPxaWIIddYEC67lHfxN70WQNJb+g60CtoABzx1CNo6bb5FZY5ro5V6XVEpLHqdVeaEvC 2hgtDlyMdzf3+MsMW55umFGOkSZFGD5qaPPsjrVXYpb04aECc8BIDCE70iozWlKBLijBVTvAH zVIIESzHH5ShjVFzq9INHAtx8sWnTT9pHY5FojHYkejJPscAaVU2OkS9+iQdABMyx2xo27st/ 08FET9wiPQAy85orXfN9qi/+wfizVKdJGrpCfaIIAKn67xWRNsXN1GF/Ywk0Z1U6/zeHTXvD X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:253888 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > All of your suggestions just muddy the water, making a clear doc > string confusing and risking the user's interpreting that like some > kind of black magic is going on here. > > The current doc string is clear and easy to understand and use. I don't think we will find a version that makes us all happy. I was actually fine with the original version: While the syntax of this macro is a bit unusual, with the background of the terminology used in the rest of Emacs the description allows only one interpretation: when we say that the argument (of a macro) is of a certain form, the unevaluated s-exp is meant. Else we explicitly say that the value or evaluation result should have certain properties. Michael.