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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 43bdfadf6529a4a808f319db29f7c0da; Thu, 16 Feb 2023 01:34:48 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <873577570z.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Wed, 15 Feb 2023 14:37:32 +0000") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21183 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:255785 Archived-At: Ihor Radchenko writes: > I can see the point, but does it apply to well-known sensitive topics, > like sex, races, politics, etc? If such a topic must be mentioned as a > part of technical description, I see no problem with mentioning such > topics out of necessity. However, jokes in the manual are supposed to > either raise positive feelings or at least be neutral. If we know in > advance that a significant number of people will be annoyed by certain > kinds of jokes, are such jokes worth it? Where are the jokes about politics or race in Emacs documentation? Anyway, people who find such jokes offensive, instead of taking them in good humor, are not a ``significant number of people''. They are just very loud. We never did agree to follow their rules.