From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#61325: 30.0.50; Jokes in GNUS manual Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 11:33:13 +0000 Message-ID: <875yb8zvra.fsf@localhost> References: <87ttzy7pg1.fsf@localhost> <87wn4u6xj0.fsf@yahoo.com> <873577570z.fsf@localhost> <875yc2s89n.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h6vkbgot.fsf@localhost> <87mt5aj626.fsf@localhost> <87cz65hkk1.fsf@yahoo.com> <87cz5kfza6.fsf@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10933"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, gregory@heytings.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, 61325@debbugs.gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 10 12:32:13 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1paayq-0002aH-Jw for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 12:32:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1paayh-0000xK-Ep; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 06:32:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1paayg-0000w4-BV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 06:32:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1paayg-0002Mh-3O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 06:32:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1paayf-0004Ev-V1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 06:32:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Ihor Radchenko Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 11:32:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 61325 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 61325-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B61325.167844791716281 (code B ref 61325); Fri, 10 Mar 2023 11:32:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 61325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Mar 2023 11:31:57 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53851 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1paaya-0004EV-Il for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 06:31:56 -0500 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:60227) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1paayY-0004E9-PT for 61325@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 06:31:55 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8FF224037A for <61325@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 12:31:46 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1678447908; bh=+9GCbT7HlW3ac+iZUZik5UAbir7ONDqdm+MAkfqt1Pk=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=ZoIKa8ieYMgfBsjfqACP0/kBrGE6lZbYmBTz3kicyyoLJbWpitbhs1uQODQAI6yXx Yw/92XQmI5bOSGUO83ovAU6adDeGruaMVBLQLxtnywYQvRs3PD0RzpGTXwjC/kIfza PesGxArfUjh86m46q61feMW8dF2mUKBWTvOBsS7NsUSd8uCUBPdSF3LLQ00Z+KTSD4 aS5/3ukJXOfkb/Wat76yPQ41+MfdbpWRbcebhjs/juUADZqsjLc1tW/Wbzew1Lq6ul IgIaqX9teoSFxSLuRLQrqvCl82Uq939WmPuJ9NLY/cmdyL1xo074W9QfnS9KkHjZVs R8rMjWo0JuwoQ== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4PY3mK1gM0z6tnX; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 12:31:42 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:257672 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > > What is not clear for me is the word "occasional". How many jokes are > > considered occasional? > > Alas, it is impossible to formulate an exact definition of > "occasional". That is the nature of the concept. > > I think it means that if you feel that you encounter one after another > after another, that's not occasional. That's the right way to decide > such a question. Of course, we can't expect all people to judge this > the same way. Thanks for the clarification! It is a bit unsatisfactory, but understandable. Trying to provide a measurable criterion would likely get such criterion wrong anyway. WRT this bug report, my understanding is the following: Just the fact of using a sensitive topic for a joke must not be a reason to remove it. The only reason would be showing and getting others to agree that such jokes are numerous across the manual. What is not clear for me is a stance on replacing the jokes on sensitive topic with equivalent jokes on less sensitive topic. Unless such change is making the jokes worse, should it be rejected? Accepted? -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at