* bug#74511: 31.0.50; `dictionary-search-interface' overrides the user's customization of `dictionary-read-word-function'
@ 2024-11-24 18:56 Steven Allen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-24 19:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Steven Allen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2024-11-24 18:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 74511
If the user customizes `dictionary-read-word-function' then loads the
dictionary package, the value of `dictionary-read-word-function' will be
overridden when `dictionary-search-interface' is loaded. To reproduce:
1. Run emacs with `emacs -Q`.
2. Open a scratch buffer and evaluate the following:
(setopt dictionary-read-word-function 'dictionary-completing-read-word)
(require 'dictionary)
(message "%S" dictionary-read-word-function)
I'd expect `dictionary-read-word-function' to be
`dictionary-completing-read-word' but instead it gets reset back to the
default, `dictionary-read-dictionary-default'. I can work around this by
calling `setopt' after loading the `dictionary' package, but ideally
that wouldn't be necessary.
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* bug#74511: 31.0.50; `dictionary-search-interface' overrides the user's customization of `dictionary-read-word-function'
2024-11-24 18:56 bug#74511: 31.0.50; `dictionary-search-interface' overrides the user's customization of `dictionary-read-word-function' Steven Allen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
@ 2024-11-24 19:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-24 20:36 ` Steven Allen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2024-11-24 19:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Steven Allen; +Cc: 74511
> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2024 10:56:08 -0800
> From: Steven Allen via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
> the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
>
>
> If the user customizes `dictionary-read-word-function' then loads the
> dictionary package, the value of `dictionary-read-word-function' will be
> overridden when `dictionary-search-interface' is loaded. To reproduce:
>
> 1. Run emacs with `emacs -Q`.
> 2. Open a scratch buffer and evaluate the following:
>
> (setopt dictionary-read-word-function 'dictionary-completing-read-word)
> (require 'dictionary)
> (message "%S" dictionary-read-word-function)
>
> I'd expect `dictionary-read-word-function' to be
> `dictionary-completing-read-word' but instead it gets reset back to the
> default, `dictionary-read-dictionary-default'. I can work around this by
> calling `setopt' after loading the `dictionary' package, but ideally
> that wouldn't be necessary.
You are supposed to customize dictionary-search-interface if you want
this mode of operation.
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* bug#74511: 31.0.50; `dictionary-search-interface' overrides the user's customization of `dictionary-read-word-function'
2024-11-24 19:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2024-11-24 20:36 ` Steven Allen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-25 12:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Steven Allen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2024-11-24 20:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 74511
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2024 10:56:08 -0800
>> From: Steven Allen via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>> the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
>>
>>
>> If the user customizes `dictionary-read-word-function' then loads the
>> dictionary package, the value of `dictionary-read-word-function' will be
>> overridden when `dictionary-search-interface' is loaded. To reproduce:
>>
>> 1. Run emacs with `emacs -Q`.
>> 2. Open a scratch buffer and evaluate the following:
>>
>> (setopt dictionary-read-word-function 'dictionary-completing-read-word)
>> (require 'dictionary)
>> (message "%S" dictionary-read-word-function)
>>
>> I'd expect `dictionary-read-word-function' to be
>> `dictionary-completing-read-word' but instead it gets reset back to the
>> default, `dictionary-read-dictionary-default'. I can work around this by
>> calling `setopt' after loading the `dictionary' package, but ideally
>> that wouldn't be necessary.
>
> You are supposed to customize dictionary-search-interface if you want
> this mode of operation.
In addition to dictionary-search-interface, there are three separately
customizable variables:
- dictionary-display-definition-function
- dictionary-read-word-function
- dictionary-read-dictionary-function
I'd expect dictionary-search-interface to override the defaults for
these variables, but I wouldn't expect it to completely clobber any user
customizations of said variables.
If these variables cannot be customized, I'd expect them to be "defvar"
not "defcustom". Although that would be rather unfortunate because,
while I want to enable minibuffer completion for words/dictionaries, I'd
also like to use the real dictionary mode (not the help buffer).
Adding ":initialize 'custom-initialize-changed" to
dictionary-search-interface would make it possible to specify either
dictionary-search-interface or any of the other variables (but not both
at the same time).
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* bug#74511: 31.0.50; `dictionary-search-interface' overrides the user's customization of `dictionary-read-word-function'
2024-11-24 20:36 ` Steven Allen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
@ 2024-11-25 12:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-25 18:17 ` Eshel Yaron via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2024-11-25 12:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Steven Allen, Eshel Yaron; +Cc: 74511
> From: Steven Allen <steven@stebalien.com>
> Cc: 74511@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2024 12:36:00 -0800
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> >> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2024 10:56:08 -0800
> >> From: Steven Allen via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
> >> the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> >>
> >>
> >> If the user customizes `dictionary-read-word-function' then loads the
> >> dictionary package, the value of `dictionary-read-word-function' will be
> >> overridden when `dictionary-search-interface' is loaded. To reproduce:
> >>
> >> 1. Run emacs with `emacs -Q`.
> >> 2. Open a scratch buffer and evaluate the following:
> >>
> >> (setopt dictionary-read-word-function 'dictionary-completing-read-word)
> >> (require 'dictionary)
> >> (message "%S" dictionary-read-word-function)
> >>
> >> I'd expect `dictionary-read-word-function' to be
> >> `dictionary-completing-read-word' but instead it gets reset back to the
> >> default, `dictionary-read-dictionary-default'. I can work around this by
> >> calling `setopt' after loading the `dictionary' package, but ideally
> >> that wouldn't be necessary.
> >
> > You are supposed to customize dictionary-search-interface if you want
> > this mode of operation.
>
> In addition to dictionary-search-interface, there are three separately
> customizable variables:
>
> - dictionary-display-definition-function
> - dictionary-read-word-function
> - dictionary-read-dictionary-function
>
> I'd expect dictionary-search-interface to override the defaults for
> these variables, but I wouldn't expect it to completely clobber any user
> customizations of said variables.
>
> If these variables cannot be customized, I'd expect them to be "defvar"
> not "defcustom". Although that would be rather unfortunate because,
> while I want to enable minibuffer completion for words/dictionaries, I'd
> also like to use the real dictionary mode (not the help buffer).
>
> Adding ":initialize 'custom-initialize-changed" to
> dictionary-search-interface would make it possible to specify either
> dictionary-search-interface or any of the other variables (but not both
> at the same time).
Eshel, would you please look into this? IMO, we should at least
improve the documentation to clarify these subtleties. Bonus points
for allowing users to customize the other options without clobbering
them when the package is loaded or dictionary-search-interface is
customized.
Thanks.
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* bug#74511: 31.0.50; `dictionary-search-interface' overrides the user's customization of `dictionary-read-word-function'
2024-11-25 12:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2024-11-25 18:17 ` Eshel Yaron via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-25 19:27 ` Steven Allen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Eshel Yaron via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2024-11-25 18:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: Steven Allen, 74511
Hi,
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Steven Allen <steven@stebalien.com>
>> Cc: 74511@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2024 12:36:00 -0800
>>
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>> >> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2024 10:56:08 -0800
>> >> From: Steven Allen via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>> >> the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> If the user customizes `dictionary-read-word-function' then loads the
>> >> dictionary package, the value of `dictionary-read-word-function' will be
>> >> overridden when `dictionary-search-interface' is loaded. To reproduce:
>> >>
>> >> 1. Run emacs with `emacs -Q`.
>> >> 2. Open a scratch buffer and evaluate the following:
>> >>
>> >> (setopt dictionary-read-word-function 'dictionary-completing-read-word)
>> >> (require 'dictionary)
>> >> (message "%S" dictionary-read-word-function)
>> >>
>> >> I'd expect `dictionary-read-word-function' to be
>> >> `dictionary-completing-read-word' but instead it gets reset back to the
>> >> default, `dictionary-read-dictionary-default'. I can work around this by
>> >> calling `setopt' after loading the `dictionary' package, but ideally
>> >> that wouldn't be necessary.
>> >
>> > You are supposed to customize dictionary-search-interface if you want
>> > this mode of operation.
>>
>> In addition to dictionary-search-interface, there are three separately
>> customizable variables:
>>
>> - dictionary-display-definition-function
>> - dictionary-read-word-function
>> - dictionary-read-dictionary-function
>>
>> I'd expect dictionary-search-interface to override the defaults for
>> these variables, but I wouldn't expect it to completely clobber any user
>> customizations of said variables.
>>
>> If these variables cannot be customized, I'd expect them to be "defvar"
>> not "defcustom". Although that would be rather unfortunate because,
>> while I want to enable minibuffer completion for words/dictionaries, I'd
>> also like to use the real dictionary mode (not the help buffer).
>>
>> Adding ":initialize 'custom-initialize-changed" to
>> dictionary-search-interface would make it possible to specify either
>> dictionary-search-interface or any of the other variables (but not both
>> at the same time).
>
> Eshel, would you please look into this? IMO, we should at least
> improve the documentation to clarify these subtleties. Bonus points
> for allowing users to customize the other options without clobbering
> them when the package is loaded or dictionary-search-interface is
> customized.
Thank you Steven, for reporting this issue, and Eli, for pinging me.
The patch below tries to do both:
- it adds a few words to the docstring of dictionary-search-interface
which explain that this option can only be meaningfully set after
loading dictionary.el, and
- it avoids clobbering existing settings for the other options during
initialization. It still overrides existing settings for the other
options if you set dictionary-search-interface after dictionary.el,
because that's the intended behavior when customizing this option.
WDYT?
diff --git a/lisp/net/dictionary.el b/lisp/net/dictionary.el
index 58c2e9771ba..0f9daa2d07d 100644
--- a/lisp/net/dictionary.el
+++ b/lisp/net/dictionary.el
@@ -301,21 +301,30 @@ dictionary-search-interface
When set to `help', `dictionary-search' displays definitions in a *Help* buffer,
and provides completion for word selection based on dictionary matches.
-Otherwise, `dictionary-search' displays definitions in a *Dictionary* buffer."
+Otherwise, `dictionary-search' displays definitions in a *Dictionary* buffer.
+
+This option only takes affect when you customize it after loading the
+`dictionary' library, so you may want to use `with-eval-after-load' to
+set it in your Emacs initialization file."
:type '(choice (const :tag "Dictionary buffer" nil)
(const :tag "Help buffer" help))
:set (lambda (symbol value)
- (let ((vals (pcase value
- ('help '(dictionary-display-definition-in-help-buffer
- dictionary-completing-read-word
- dictionary-completing-read-dictionary))
- (_ '(nil
- dictionary-read-word-default
- dictionary-read-dictionary-default)))))
- (seq-setq (dictionary-display-definition-function
- dictionary-read-word-function
- dictionary-read-dictionary-function)
- vals))
+ ;; If the symbol of this option is not bound, then we are
+ ;; initializing it, and the user hasn't set it in init.el.
+ ;; Avoid overriding individual customization of other options
+ ;; in this case.
+ (when (boundp symbol)
+ (let ((vals (pcase value
+ ('help '(dictionary-display-definition-in-help-buffer
+ dictionary-completing-read-word
+ dictionary-completing-read-dictionary))
+ (_ '(nil
+ dictionary-read-word-default
+ dictionary-read-dictionary-default)))))
+ (seq-setq (dictionary-display-definition-function
+ dictionary-read-word-function
+ dictionary-read-dictionary-function)
+ vals)))
(set-default-toplevel-value symbol value))
:version "30.1")
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* bug#74511: 31.0.50; `dictionary-search-interface' overrides the user's customization of `dictionary-read-word-function'
2024-11-25 18:17 ` Eshel Yaron via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
@ 2024-11-25 19:27 ` Steven Allen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-25 21:27 ` Eshel Yaron via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Steven Allen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2024-11-25 19:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eshel Yaron, Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 74511
Eshel Yaron <me@eshelyaron.com> writes:
> Hi,
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
>>> From: Steven Allen <steven@stebalien.com>
>>> Cc: 74511@debbugs.gnu.org
>>> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2024 12:36:00 -0800
>>>
>>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>>>
>>> >> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2024 10:56:08 -0800
>>> >> From: Steven Allen via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>>> >> the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> If the user customizes `dictionary-read-word-function' then loads the
>>> >> dictionary package, the value of `dictionary-read-word-function' will be
>>> >> overridden when `dictionary-search-interface' is loaded. To reproduce:
>>> >>
>>> >> 1. Run emacs with `emacs -Q`.
>>> >> 2. Open a scratch buffer and evaluate the following:
>>> >>
>>> >> (setopt dictionary-read-word-function 'dictionary-completing-read-word)
>>> >> (require 'dictionary)
>>> >> (message "%S" dictionary-read-word-function)
>>> >>
>>> >> I'd expect `dictionary-read-word-function' to be
>>> >> `dictionary-completing-read-word' but instead it gets reset back to the
>>> >> default, `dictionary-read-dictionary-default'. I can work around this by
>>> >> calling `setopt' after loading the `dictionary' package, but ideally
>>> >> that wouldn't be necessary.
>>> >
>>> > You are supposed to customize dictionary-search-interface if you want
>>> > this mode of operation.
>>>
>>> In addition to dictionary-search-interface, there are three separately
>>> customizable variables:
>>>
>>> - dictionary-display-definition-function
>>> - dictionary-read-word-function
>>> - dictionary-read-dictionary-function
>>>
>>> I'd expect dictionary-search-interface to override the defaults for
>>> these variables, but I wouldn't expect it to completely clobber any user
>>> customizations of said variables.
>>>
>>> If these variables cannot be customized, I'd expect them to be "defvar"
>>> not "defcustom". Although that would be rather unfortunate because,
>>> while I want to enable minibuffer completion for words/dictionaries, I'd
>>> also like to use the real dictionary mode (not the help buffer).
>>>
>>> Adding ":initialize 'custom-initialize-changed" to
>>> dictionary-search-interface would make it possible to specify either
>>> dictionary-search-interface or any of the other variables (but not both
>>> at the same time).
>>
>> Eshel, would you please look into this? IMO, we should at least
>> improve the documentation to clarify these subtleties. Bonus points
>> for allowing users to customize the other options without clobbering
>> them when the package is loaded or dictionary-search-interface is
>> customized.
>
> Thank you Steven, for reporting this issue, and Eli, for pinging me.
>
> The patch below tries to do both:
>
> - it adds a few words to the docstring of dictionary-search-interface
> which explain that this option can only be meaningfully set after
> loading dictionary.el, and
> - it avoids clobbering existing settings for the other options during
> initialization. It still overrides existing settings for the other
> options if you set dictionary-search-interface after dictionary.el,
> because that's the intended behavior when customizing this option.
>
> WDYT?
>
Is adding the following to `dictionary-search-interface' not sufficient?
:initialize 'custom-initialize-changed
That would apply the `dictionary-search-interface' setting if and only
if specified by the user while still alowing the user to, e.g., use the
customize interface.
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* bug#74511: 31.0.50; `dictionary-search-interface' overrides the user's customization of `dictionary-read-word-function'
2024-11-25 19:27 ` Steven Allen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
@ 2024-11-25 21:27 ` Eshel Yaron via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-26 12:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Eshel Yaron via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2024-11-25 21:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Steven Allen; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, 74511
Steven Allen <steven@stebalien.com> writes:
> Eshel Yaron <me@eshelyaron.com> writes:
>
>>
>> The patch below tries to do both:
>>
>> - it adds a few words to the docstring of dictionary-search-interface
>> which explain that this option can only be meaningfully set after
>> loading dictionary.el, and
>> - it avoids clobbering existing settings for the other options during
>> initialization. It still overrides existing settings for the other
>> options if you set dictionary-search-interface after dictionary.el,
>> because that's the intended behavior when customizing this option.
>>
>> WDYT?
>>
>
> Is adding the following to `dictionary-search-interface' not sufficient?
>
> :initialize 'custom-initialize-changed
>
> That would apply the `dictionary-search-interface' setting if and only
> if specified by the user while still alowing the user to, e.g., use the
> customize interface.
Ah yes, seems even better than my patch since it also makes it possible
to set dictionary-search-interface before loading dictionary.el, thanks!
Eli, does this seem OK for the release branch?
diff --git a/lisp/net/dictionary.el b/lisp/net/dictionary.el
index 58c2e9771ba..42fb8c57b40 100644
--- a/lisp/net/dictionary.el
+++ b/lisp/net/dictionary.el
@@ -317,6 +317,7 @@ dictionary-search-interface
dictionary-read-dictionary-function)
vals))
(set-default-toplevel-value symbol value))
+ :initialize #'custom-initialize-changed
:version "30.1")
(defface dictionary-word-definition-face
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* bug#74511: 31.0.50; `dictionary-search-interface' overrides the user's customization of `dictionary-read-word-function'
2024-11-25 21:27 ` Eshel Yaron via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
@ 2024-11-26 12:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2024-11-26 12:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eshel Yaron; +Cc: steven, 74511
> From: Eshel Yaron <me@eshelyaron.com>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, 74511@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2024 22:27:57 +0100
>
> Steven Allen <steven@stebalien.com> writes:
>
> > Eshel Yaron <me@eshelyaron.com> writes:
> >
> >>
> >> The patch below tries to do both:
> >>
> >> - it adds a few words to the docstring of dictionary-search-interface
> >> which explain that this option can only be meaningfully set after
> >> loading dictionary.el, and
> >> - it avoids clobbering existing settings for the other options during
> >> initialization. It still overrides existing settings for the other
> >> options if you set dictionary-search-interface after dictionary.el,
> >> because that's the intended behavior when customizing this option.
> >>
> >> WDYT?
> >>
> >
> > Is adding the following to `dictionary-search-interface' not sufficient?
> >
> > :initialize 'custom-initialize-changed
> >
> > That would apply the `dictionary-search-interface' setting if and only
> > if specified by the user while still alowing the user to, e.g., use the
> > customize interface.
>
> Ah yes, seems even better than my patch since it also makes it possible
> to set dictionary-search-interface before loading dictionary.el, thanks!
>
> Eli, does this seem OK for the release branch?
>
> diff --git a/lisp/net/dictionary.el b/lisp/net/dictionary.el
> index 58c2e9771ba..42fb8c57b40 100644
> --- a/lisp/net/dictionary.el
> +++ b/lisp/net/dictionary.el
> @@ -317,6 +317,7 @@ dictionary-search-interface
> dictionary-read-dictionary-function)
> vals))
> (set-default-toplevel-value symbol value))
> + :initialize #'custom-initialize-changed
> :version "30.1")
Don't you mean custom-initialize-set?
If I'm missing something, please describe what will happen in the
various scenarios when dictionary-search-interface and the other
related options are customized, whether by setq or via Custom, and
when they are not customized the first time dictionary.el is loaded.
When we understand all the effects of this, we can reason whether the
change is safe for the emacs-30 branch (which it better be, since
these options were introduced in Emacs 30, AFAIR).
Thanks.
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