From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Teemu Likonen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#3450: 23.0.91; HELLO file: Finnish name for language is "suomi" Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:49:42 +0300 Message-ID: <874oux2a6x.fsf@iki.fi> References: <87skiipuu0.fsf@iki.fi> Reply-To: Teemu Likonen , 3450@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1244005063 25707 80.91.229.12 (3 Jun 2009 04:57:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 04:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 3450@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Kenichi Handa Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 03 06:57:37 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MBiXe-0004gQ-K8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:57:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53237 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MBiXd-0007Rk-Vm for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:57:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MBiXY-0007QY-LP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:57:28 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MBiXS-0007OR-TN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:57:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=59327 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MBiXS-0007OA-O6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:57:22 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:49120) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MBiXS-0005gk-5s for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:57:22 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n534vIkE006482; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:57:18 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n534t57K005922; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:55:05 -0700 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Teemu Likonen Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 04:55:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3450 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 3450-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B3450.12440045975217 (code B ref 3450); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 04:55:05 +0000 Original-Received: (at 3450) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 3 Jun 2009 04:49:57 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from jenni2.inet.fi (mta-out.inet.fi [195.156.147.13]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n534npod005211 for <3450@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:49:53 -0700 Original-Received: from imladris.arda.local (84.251.6.80) by jenni2.inet.fi (8.5.014) id 49F5CB6401624EFE; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:49:48 +0300 Original-Received: from dtw by imladris.arda.local with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MBiQ2-0002Lf-W4; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:49:43 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Kenichi Handa's message of "Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:42:00 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.91 (gnu/linux) X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by rzlab.ucr.edu id n534vIkE006482 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Resent-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:57:27 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:28452 Archived-At: On 2009-06-03 09:42 (+0900), Kenichi Handa wrote: > Thank you. We'll fix "suomi". But for "hyv=E4=E4", I'm not sure. That p= art > is not a normal setence but is a listing of words saying hello, and > "," is just a separator of each independent item. With a comma (,) the most obvious Finnish interpretation is that they belong to the same sentence. Comma is just a natural Finnish separator for the greeting ("Hei") and other syntactic content. I understand that one could say that the HELLO file does not list sentences in different languages and that the comma is meant to be higher-level separator of items. But does this meaning reach a human reader? I'd say "no" because there is already a higher-level separator in each line, namely the tab cells with the width of 32 characters. This issue is not something I'd go fighting for too seriously. I'll just say that I think most Finnish people see that line as a single sentence. > If that file is written in of HTML, perhaps we'll format it as > this: > > > > Should we downcase "Hyv=E4=E4" in that case? In such context it's quite free. You could write them all small letters or capitalize only the first letter of item in a table cell, like: Finnish suomi hei hyv=E4=E4 p=E4iv=E4=E4 or Finnish suomi Hei Hyv=E4=E4 p=E4iv=E4=E4 Just choose the one that fits to the general picture. :-)
FinnishsuomiHeiHyv=E4=E4 p=E4iv=E4=E4=