From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Berman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12621: Emacs 24.1 crashing on Windows 7 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:04:22 +0100 Message-ID: <874njlwnll.fsf@rosalinde.fritz.box> References: <1355394162.15171.YahooMailNeo@web171306.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <83ip85omkv.fsf@gnu.org> <1355424070.10437.YahooMailNeo@web171305.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> <82hanognh8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <560B7AE533FA4C0B968812EA968AAA09@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1355702698 19363 80.91.229.3 (17 Dec 2012 00:04:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 00:04:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12621@debbugs.gnu.org, 'Andy Moreton' To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 17 01:05:11 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TkOCl-0006It-Gt for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:05:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40117 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkOCY-0000BW-5N for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:04:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33772) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkOCU-0000Aw-2T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:04:56 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkOCR-0000hD-4O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:04:53 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:35576) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TkOCR-0000h9-16 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:04:51 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkODa-0004DI-Di for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:06:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stephen Berman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 00:06:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12621 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 12621-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12621.135570274216167 (code B ref 12621); Mon, 17 Dec 2012 00:06:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2012 00:05:42 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45826 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkODF-0004Ch-7p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:05:42 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:53524) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TkODC-0004CZ-8Q for 12621@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:05:39 -0500 Original-Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.41]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MPb5D-1Tp51k2by5-004gE3 for <12621@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:04:25 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 Dec 2012 00:04:25 -0000 Original-Received: from i59F57B78.versanet.de (EHLO rosalinde.fritz.box) [89.245.123.120] by mail.gmx.net (mp041) with SMTP; 17 Dec 2012 01:04:25 +0100 X-Authenticated: #20778731 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX190gNcovLl0eAbOlX04KWNtV3j1D9mqPA1Vns8XVm BCUjSsV3JMcy99 In-Reply-To: <560B7AE533FA4C0B968812EA968AAA09@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:26:11 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:68619 Archived-At: On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:26:11 -0800 "Drew Adams" wrote: > Mouthing "win32" is hardly "referring to [MS] Windows as a win." [...] > This "win32" thing is now nothing more than counting angels on pinheads. It > makes as much sense as claiming that using the character `w' in an abbreviation > is tantamount to pledging allegiance to Bill Gates. Or the devil. Burn the > witch! Burn the `w' books! I think it's not entirely implausible to regard "win32" as implicitly conveying the positive connotations of "win". On the one hand, it's not the shortest abbrevation of (some variant of) "the 32 bit Microsoft Windows platform"; that would be "w32", which is fairly common, but AFAIK used at microsoft.com only with reference to externally named viruses and worms. The next shortest abbrevation "wi32" is quite rare, as is the next longer one "wind32" (judging by cursory websearches); both of these lack clearly positive English connotations in the context of software, and "wind32" might even be regarded as negative. On the other hand, suppose the Windows 32 API had been largely due to a person named Shitsuhara (which is the transliteration of a real Japanese surname) and in honor of this had been dubbed by Microsoft the "Shitsuhara Windows 32 API". Do you think anyone who did not want to show disrespect for Microsoft would use the abbrevation "shit32"? Steve Berman