From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#39847: Document how users can make text-zoom keys same as browser Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2020 00:31:11 +0800 Message-ID: <874kv5pfhs.8.fsf@jidanni.org> References: <877e05hu32.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <835zfoeoar.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="10149"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 39847@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 03 17:32:12 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1j9ASp-0002WA-8E for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 17:32:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49830 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j9ASo-0003Ds-79 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 11:32:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56274) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j9ASg-0003DV-Q0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 11:32:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j9ASf-00012n-QL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 11:32:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:33930) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j9ASf-00012T-N4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 11:32:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j9ASf-00014z-K8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 11:32:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <877e05hu32.5.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC?= Dan Jacobson Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2020 16:32:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39847 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 39847-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39847.15832530864107 (code B ref 39847); Tue, 03 Mar 2020 16:32:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 39847) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Mar 2020 16:31:26 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39903 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j9AS6-00014B-3n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 11:31:26 -0500 Original-Received: from crocodile.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.45]:23745) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j9AS4-000142-FN for 39847@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 11:31:25 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199B321DCF; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 16:31:23 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a66.g.dreamhost.com (100-96-38-106.trex.outbound.svc.cluster.local [100.96.38.106]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 611D521939; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 16:31:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a66.g.dreamhost.com ([TEMPUNAVAIL]. [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.18.5); Tue, 03 Mar 2020 16:31:23 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jidanni@jidanni.org X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Absorbed-Cure: 385f6c392ff955f9_1583253082686_2163643111 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1583253082685:3193941382 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1583253082685 Original-Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a66.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a66.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD767EF64; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 08:31:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=jidanni.org; bh=cnoRCaE/2DDrA9912C2pTmxucrE=; b=Ca1ieQmm8ogMB Tjr00EfmgzwlA+adVNdlN9mXTHf/zNkWWhxD+0b/lhuHIpzmQem1WCZdfcj6F6ci 8UbzuCcojG8bT0H2hpLSCwFXAVAkwuV+kw4sWaAFO+Z9rDpmyktWBz+O6a6tXAEg AB8apbl8FcTUnfG9NcP0H1i7ogW4RA= Original-Received: from jidanni.org (114-41-3-101.dynamic-ip.hinet.net [114.41.3.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a66.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1E4F07EF5C; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 08:31:15 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a66 X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedruddtiedgleefucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephffvufhffffkgggtsehttdertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpejnnjjnucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqeenucfkphepuddugedrgedurdefrddutddunecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmohguvgepshhmthhppdhhvghlohepjhhiuggrnhhnihdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeduudegrdeguddrfedruddtuddprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheppeeruhhtfhdqkeerueerheeimhfphefnihehhegsveekreepucffrghnucflrggtohgsshhonhcuoehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjihgurghnnhhisehjihgurghnnhhirdhorhhgpdhnrhgtphhtthhopeefleekgeejseguvggssghughhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhg X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:176801 Archived-At: I don't want to have to pick up a mouse just to zoom text. In all browsers I can do CTRL++ and CTRL+- to zoom and unzoom text. If even in all browsers I can do it with just the keyboard, why should I have to go find and plug in a mouse to do it in emacs, of all things? Or, why... should I have to use the current "most curious" key sequence to zoom text... for somebody's historical reasons. So curious that it needs a big explanation in the manual, as no new user would have imagined more keys than just CTRL++ and CTRL+- are needed. And no recipe of how to untangle things shall ever even be documented, until the very last user of "C-- to make the argument negative" kicks the bucket or something. Nope, no recipe of how a user could make emacs just use CTRL++ and CTRL+- shall ever be added to the manual. As the user is supposed to engineer it himself as if it was as simple as binding functions to keys.