From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Omar =?UTF-8?Q?Antol=C3=ADn?= Camarena Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#40827: 28.0.50; Macroexpansion at runtime Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 14:09:57 -0500 Message-ID: <874kt8snsq.fsf@matem.unam.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="13120"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: 40827@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 24 21:11:56 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jS3jw-0003Bd-JH for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 21:11:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49230 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jS3jv-000674-EQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 15:11:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50892) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jS3j6-0004id-9q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 15:11:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jS3j4-0002P1-US for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 15:11:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46408) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jS3j4-0002O4-Fy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 15:11:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jS3j4-0002nZ-Ax for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 15:11:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Omar =?UTF-8?Q?Antol=C3=ADn?= Camarena Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 19:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 40827 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.158775543610718 (code B ref -1); Fri, 24 Apr 2020 19:11:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Apr 2020 19:10:36 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57954 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jS3ic-0002mn-T3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 15:10:35 -0400 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:33816) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jS3iN-0002mK-CW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 15:10:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50728) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jS3iL-0003Fa-MY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 15:10:19 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jS3iF-0000rG-IZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 15:10:16 -0400 Original-Received: from gauss.matem.unam.mx ([132.248.17.1]:46015) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jS3iE-0000gi-SN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 15:10:11 -0400 Original-Received: from penguin (unknown [189.146.255.114]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: omar) by gauss.matem.unam.mx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665E2A0C003 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 14:10:03 -0500 (CDT) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.248.17.1; envelope-from=omar@matem.unam.mx; helo=gauss.matem.unam.mx X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/24 15:10:03 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:178952 Archived-At: I'm not sure this is a bug, but I certainly think it's odd behavior. Basically, incorrect use of (rx ... (eval ...) ...), which should raise an error, can instead result in macro expansion happening at runtime rather than at function definition time. Starting from emacs -Q, put the following in the scratch buffer: (defmacro macro1 (arg) `(list :macro1 ,arg ,(format-time-string "%s"))) (setq lexical-binding nil) (defun fun1 (arg) (list (macro1 arg) (rx (eval arg)))) Now, if you evaluate all three forms with eval-last-sexp (C-x C-e), the definition of fun1 correctly (IMO) raises an error. Instead evaluate the first two with eval-sexp and the last function with eval-defun (C-M-x). No error is raised! Next examine the definition of fun1 and call it a couple of times: (symbol-function 'fun1) ;; evaluates to (lambda (arg) (list (macro1 arg) (rx (eval arg)))) ;; notices the macros are unexpanded (fun1 "hey") ;; evaluated to ((:macro1 "hey" "1587754829") "hey") (fun1 "hey") ;; now I got ((:macro1 "hey" "1587754834") "hey") ;; notice the timestamp changed! It seems that now, most of the time both the intepreter and the byte-compiler, whether using lexical binding or not, will expand macros at function definition time. This trick of combining an illegal (rx ... (eval ...) ...), with lexical binding, and with eval-defun is the only way I've found to trigger macro expansion at runtime. I discovered this during an interesting discussion on reddit, which you can read here: https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/g5bat3/weekly_tipstricketc_thread/fo362s8 In that discussion others pointed out that this does not happen in Emacs 26.3: there the recipe I gave above also results in an error being raised. The Emacs 28 package I installed unfortunately does not come with a manual, so I don't know what the current version says, but the manual for Emacs 26.3 says something seemingly incorrect most of the time. (info "(elisp) Repeated Expansion") says: > 14.5.5 How Many Times is the Macro Expanded? > Occasionally problems result from the fact that a macro call is > expanded each time it is evaluated in an interpreted function, but is > expanded only once (during compilation) for a compiled function. If > the macro definition has side effects, they will work differently > depending on how many times the macro is expanded. In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.5, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2020-04-13, unofficial emacs-snapshot build: http://emacs.ganneff.de/, git commit fc336a46553919206d9ac621d1ea5e9740477e18 built on runner-d40f5ff3-project-26-concurrent-1 Repository revision: b5bdd1ca1d3978fc7cfc61ee14c9945e868eff7a Repository branch: HEAD Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12001000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) Recent messages: Loading mb-depth...done Loading minibuf-eldef...done For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. 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