From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21113: emacs Inaccessibility to Screen reader(orca) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 15:19:36 +0100 Message-ID: <874kjal6dj.fsf@gnus.org> References: <877fcpf2xi.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <8760qfovjg.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <87r391op22.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24183"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Ali Abdul Ghani , Glenn Morris , 21113@debbugs.gnu.org To: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 21 15:21:00 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l2apY-0006B2-8I for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 15:21:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59254 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l2apX-0001ST-5w for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 09:20:59 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34312) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l2aoc-0001RX-Ll for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 09:20:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:45642) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l2aoc-0000UO-El for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 09:20:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l2aoc-0004Kx-A0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 09:20:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 14:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21113 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 21113-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21113.161123879516642 (code B ref 21113); Thu, 21 Jan 2021 14:20:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21113) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jan 2021 14:19:55 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57185 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l2aoU-0004KM-T0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 09:19:55 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:57702) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1l2aoS-0004K5-MB for 21113@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 09:19:53 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=uF2wnKJTw4Oie6/KS+QNQ/4amuSrCqhRn+M9g58hIG8=; b=osBPNd3q9kBcWCH+UpYkmIkA8R sBuyHwTKTU63vcwBk6STAMoP/eMA6k5wXq5+bA6hCWiEyO/iRzIGbff9aqAAa+/tqa57kJo6hX7S2 l3APLn2YkgY0+875WcVZFXk2gkAsNNPtx6FHV9ZRSFbIn1cNcQOBULIBe8htLZWUpc9g=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l2aoD-0005pQ-LL; Thu, 21 Jan 2021 15:19:45 +0100 X-Now-Playing: repository's _Depeche Mode_: "Black Celebration: The 12" Singles (4): A Question of Time/02-Black Celebration (Live).mp3" In-Reply-To: <87r391op22.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> (npostavs@users.sourceforge.net's message of "Fri, 02 Sep 2016 19:32:53 -0400") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:198311 Archived-At: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net writes: > Oh, I see, the term "accessibility" has a very particular meaning in the > context of screen readers (I had thought it was just odd word choice in > the original report). I found this bug report pretty confusing, too, but the request is for Emacs to support the Orca screen reader, which is a Gnome thing. To do this, Emacs has to implement a Gnome API: https://help.gnome.org/users/orca/stable/introduction.html.en The report states that "emacs -nw" works fine -- but according to some experimentation, that seems to be because Terminal (the Gnome xterm-a-like) supports Orca. Emacs itself doesn't support Orca at all. I know nothing about these things, so I wonder: Is Orca used much? Are there other competing screen-reader APIs that would be better to focus on? Is Orca more convenient to use than Emacspeak? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no