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Jackson" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#53196: 28.0.90; Default Emacs is too noisy Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2022 15:20:28 -0500 Message-ID: <874k6a9g8j.fsf@moondust.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33798"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.90 (gnu/linux) To: 53196@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 11 21:49:58 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n7O5d-0008Wb-CW for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 21:49:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56232 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n7O5c-0007LO-1B for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 15:49:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50054) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n7Ndf-0004Y6-00 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 15:21:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:34562) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n7Nde-0003nX-Kp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 15:21:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n7Nde-0000KN-EW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Jan 2022 15:21:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "N. 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[184.145.96.137]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id bj26sm7094032qkb.58.2022.01.11.12.20.29 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:20:29 -0800 (PST) X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2607:f8b0:4864:20::834 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::834; envelope-from=nljlistbox2@gmail.com; helo=mail-qt1-x834.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:223968 Archived-At: I ran emacs -Q today (to confirm a bug) and I was driven to distraction by all the beeping. [My Emacs is mercifully silent, presumably(?) because I have `visible-bell' turned on, so I'm not used to all the noise.] On this system the beep sounds like a drop of water falling into a pool and it is very loud (even though I keep my volume level set quite low). Just a few minutes in emacs -Q was a torture. It seems that this noisiness must be a deterrent to new users starting to use Emacs; it would certainly discourage some from sticking with it when they first use it. One simple improvement would be to not sound a beep when the user presses `C-g'. That would reduce the amount of noise very greatly. 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