From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#64202: bug#66188: 29.1; Include Atom feed reader Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2024 07:34:40 -0700 Message-ID: <874jbsi1vj.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <87v8fhmgvw.fsf@dsemy.com> <87jznfpom1.fsf@gmx.net> <874jejb2sg.fsf@dsemy.com> <87fry2pa1n.fsf@gmx.net> <87ttmhwxby.fsf@dsemy.com> <87wmrd9zcy.fsf@outlook.com> <875xyx5ksi.fsf@dsemy.com> <87sf219ntf.fsf@gmx.net> <87msrtkztg.fsf@outlook.com> <87ttm0mnku.fsf@dsemy.com> <87o7c7b0yf.fsf@dsemy.com> <87le79yl11.fsf@gmx.net> <87sf1eh53p.fsf@dsemy.com> <87ttl3wk81.fsf_-_@dsemy.com> <87il1b7nxl.fsf@dsemy.com> <8634ry50gw.fsf@gnu.org> <868r1bf3i1.fsf@gnu.org> <87mspnlez1.fsf_-_@ericabrahamsen.net> <87sezev9qi.fsf@dsemy.com> <87o7a2jdm7.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <871q6xuieb.fsf@dsemy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36555"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , jimjoe@gmx.net, 66188@debbugs.gnu.org, 64202@debbugs.gnu.org To: Daniel Semyonov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 23 16:36:19 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rzHFr-0009Mu-80 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2024 16:36:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rzHFa-0004Y1-P9; Tue, 23 Apr 2024 10:36:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rzHFP-0004Uu-Lw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2024 10:35:53 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rzHFM-0002HF-FZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2024 10:35:51 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rzHFc-0007n9-Gd; Tue, 23 Apr 2024 10:36:04 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eric Abrahamsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2024 14:36:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64202 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,gnus X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 64202-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64202.171388291329413 (code B ref 64202); Tue, 23 Apr 2024 14:36:04 +0000 Original-Received: (at 64202) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Apr 2024 14:35:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52577 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rzHEi-0007dS-RM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2024 10:35:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:49300) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rzHEd-0007bM-SR; Tue, 23 Apr 2024 10:35:06 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (71-212-21-65.tukw.qwest.net [71.212.21.65]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5FDBAFABD7; Tue, 23 Apr 2024 14:34:41 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1713882881; bh=gWlqtvNipqyp136+b4tXZIEBVr8AtxU1FxaV8ehGi3w=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=JU7v0qVDexP8W6VjpYwAxtwHHVlaro6/D3mNm7qUIK05xf5VLsixQdS2k6MWgV7Oh 4g2FAXRGV9/hYRLgih9z3IopXyDKmSvnRzMe8wPiXciJVJME+VBQrBMgeOO79LANhM 5Ob0pTK8BrA/+Gg/LrXtTJpISPEJ2+97s24wzFl8= In-Reply-To: <871q6xuieb.fsf@dsemy.com> (Daniel Semyonov's message of "Tue, 23 Apr 2024 01:44:44 +0300") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:283885 Archived-At: On 04/23/24 01:44 AM, Daniel Semyonov wrote: >>>>>> Eric Abrahamsen writes: > > > On 04/21/24 21:41 PM, Daniel Semyonov wrote: > >>>>>>> Eric Abrahamsen writes: > >>=20 > >> > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> >> Ping! Ping! Eric, any comments? > >>=20 > >> > Yes, let's do it! My only comment right now is that the manual s= hould > >> > explicitly list the steps for creating an atom group: "B nnatom = RET" and > >> > insert URL without protocol. I still have dreams of fixing the g= roup > >> > creation code to prompt for the address, but that can wait. > >>=20 > >> > Daniel, would you make that addition? > >>=20 > >> Does the following text (in the 'Atom' subsection of the Gnus manu= al) > >> not suffice? > >>=20 > >> The =E2=80=98nnatom=E2=80=99 back end allows you to add HTTP or lo= cal Atom feeds as > >> Gnus servers (with a single group), as you would with any other me= thod, > >> by supplying the location of the feed as the server address. Note, > >> however, that the server address shouldn't be prefixed with or > >> . > > > I think we need to at least make it clear that you can't create the= se > > groups with "G m", which to me anyway is the "normal" way of making= a > > group. It wouldn't hurt to be more explicit about the fact that fee= ds > > are created at the server level, not the group level. I'm not sugge= sting > > anything radical, something like: > > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---=20 > > The =E2=80=98nnatom=E2=80=99 back end allows you to add HTTP or loc= al Atom feeds as Gnus > > servers, in your Gnus init files or as foreign servers via "B" in t= he > > *Group* buffer. The feed location is supplied as the server address= , and > > each server only contains a single group. Note, however, that the s= erver > > address shouldn't be prefixed with or . > > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > > Or something like that. WDYT? > > I gave it another thought and you're right, it should be more explicit. > I've attached an updated patch but here's the new version of the > paragraph (since I actually ended up being even more explicit): > > The =E2=80=98nnatom=E2=80=99 back end allows you to add HTTP or local A= tom feeds as > Gnus servers, by adding them to =E2=80=98gnus-secondary-select-methods= =E2=80=99 or as > foreign servers by pressing "B" in the =E2=80=98*Group*=E2=80=99 buffer= , for example > (*note Finding the News). The address of each server is its feed's > location (though the address shouldn't be prefixed with or > ) and each server contains a single group which holds the > feed's entries. That looks great -- I think it can't hurt to provide some more hand-holding in the manual. I'll get this in this morning. Thanks! Eric