From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Heerdegen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#11482: 24.0.96; Keep `M-s' as a prefix key for search (conflict with Gnus) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 15:16:53 +0100 Message-ID: <8738jo1kmi.fsf@web.de> References: <703E3EF0C68345F2BC8A537EDBB42E54@us.oracle.com> <87fvntexkr.fsf@building.gnus.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1392214693 29757 80.91.229.3 (12 Feb 2014 14:18:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 14:18:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 11482@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 12 15:18:19 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WDadn-00038j-1t for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2014 15:18:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39353 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WDadm-0001av-BN for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:18:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53043) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WDadc-0001ae-Rd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:18:14 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WDadW-0007jI-JT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:18:08 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:47222) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WDadW-0007jA-Fz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:18:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WDadW-0008LE-0i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:18:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Michael Heerdegen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 14:18:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11482 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 11482-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11482.139221463431997 (code B ref 11482); Wed, 12 Feb 2014 14:18:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 11482) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Feb 2014 14:17:14 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48404 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WDacf-0008Jt-JO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:17:13 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:64166) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WDacY-0008JC-On for 11482@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:17:07 -0500 Original-Received: from drachen.dragon ([90.186.155.199]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb004) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LdrkJ-1VUfEC0weB-00j3DN for <11482@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 12 Feb 2014 15:16:56 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87fvntexkr.fsf@building.gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 08 Feb 2014 20:09:40 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:tclpRBRonCCZD1yuz6ZIAyS/BVWwmA1EEcd4KDXatKpEh5PNRnL G804h87gQh0DJPgioIQ43dQ66BtaqQh9dkPc7wdRUlojSeNG705RoV69VOz55m2NcFBcJPi ns0kOeez9g2qf95IzKA+q4KLtVvxY6LPJbeLeGAT+ABVk9W8PgP6ZdyMLMU5I5TvxDflEFA YETdkZXzFpZrIcFXR21bw== X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:85427 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > What are Icicles searches used for? That is, is it likely that a user > would issue that command in the Gnus summary buffer? Not being able to perform Icicle search was not the problem, it is a problem the other way round: Icicles' binding is a minor mode binding, thus shadowing the Gnus M-s binding, which is really important. That's the problem. Without a keybinding, it is also harder to find, e.g. with C-h b etc. I had suggested to Lars to change the Gnuish binding, but he didn't want to. That Gnus shadows the global M-s binding is another issue. But since Gnus replaces it with a search command suitable for searching articles, it's IMHO not really a problem. AFAIK, only the summary buffer is affected by the M-s binding, and there, "normal" searching is rarely needed. The clash of M-s prefix with Icicles' search binding is a third issue. But I guess we have to live with that. Regards, Michael.