* bug#19791: 25.0.50; Bad HTML rendering
@ 2015-02-06 12:41 Richard Stallman
2015-02-06 13:19 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-02-06 15:31 ` Stefan Monnier
0 siblings, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2015-02-06 12:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 19791
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread* bug#19791: 25.0.50; Bad HTML rendering 2015-02-06 12:41 bug#19791: 25.0.50; Bad HTML rendering Richard Stallman @ 2015-02-06 13:19 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen 2015-02-06 14:49 ` Eli Zaretskii 2015-02-07 12:43 ` Richard Stallman 2015-02-06 15:31 ` Stefan Monnier 1 sibling, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2015-02-06 13:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Richard Stallman; +Cc: 19791 Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes: > The HTML in this message came out all black, invisible. > > It specifies black letters, but it's a bug to blindly obey that. You're running Emacs on a tty? Have you told Emacs what the background colour is? I think the function is `set-background-color'. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* bug#19791: 25.0.50; Bad HTML rendering 2015-02-06 13:19 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2015-02-06 14:49 ` Eli Zaretskii 2015-02-06 17:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen 2015-02-07 12:43 ` Richard Stallman 1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2015-02-06 14:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 19791, rms > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> > Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 00:19:18 +1100 > Cc: 19791@debbugs.gnu.org > > Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes: > > > The HTML in this message came out all black, invisible. > > > > It specifies black letters, but it's a bug to blindly obey that. > > You're running Emacs on a tty? Have you told Emacs what the background > colour is? I think the function is `set-background-color'. Do you mean that shr.el will change the colors it produces depending on the background color? Because I don't seem to see this, maybe I'm doing something wrong. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* bug#19791: 25.0.50; Bad HTML rendering 2015-02-06 14:49 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2015-02-06 17:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen 2015-02-06 18:59 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2015-02-06 17:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 19791, rms Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > Do you mean that shr.el will change the colors it produces depending > on the background color? Because I don't seem to see this, maybe I'm > doing something wrong. Yes, it's supposed to. I'm running with a black background here, and shr lightened the colour of the text to a grey one that was readable. If the background had been white, I think it would have left the text completely black. At least that's how it's supposed to work. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* bug#19791: 25.0.50; Bad HTML rendering 2015-02-06 17:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2015-02-06 18:59 ` Eli Zaretskii 2015-02-07 1:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2015-02-06 18:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 19791, rms > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> > Cc: 19791@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 04:14:23 +1100 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > > > Do you mean that shr.el will change the colors it produces depending > > on the background color? Because I don't seem to see this, maybe I'm > > doing something wrong. > > Yes, it's supposed to. I'm running with a black background here, and > shr lightened the colour of the text to a grey one that was readable. > If the background had been white, I think it would have left the text > completely black. > > At least that's how it's supposed to work. Where's that in the sources? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* bug#19791: 25.0.50; Bad HTML rendering 2015-02-06 18:59 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2015-02-07 1:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen 2015-02-07 11:57 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2015-02-07 1:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 19791, rms Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > Where's that in the sources? `shr-color-check' and `shr-color-visible'. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* bug#19791: 25.0.50; Bad HTML rendering 2015-02-07 1:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2015-02-07 11:57 ` Eli Zaretskii 2015-02-08 17:52 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2015-02-07 11:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 19791, rms > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> > Cc: 19791@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 12:30:42 +1100 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > > > Where's that in the sources? > > `shr-color-check' and `shr-color-visible'. I think I see the problem: it is somehow related to bug #19802. In particular, even if I do this: M-: (set-frame-parameter (selected-frame) 'background-color "black") RET I still get nil from (frame-parameter nil 'background-color). And shr-color-check relies on the latter to report the background color of the frame. So I guess solving that bug will also solve this, or at least move closer to its solution. Richard, can you confirm that you see on your system the same problem with 'background-color' frame parameter on a TTY as described above, i.e. that setting that parameter in frame's parameter alist doesn't cause frame-parameter to return the value? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* bug#19791: 25.0.50; Bad HTML rendering 2015-02-07 11:57 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2015-02-08 17:52 ` Eli Zaretskii 2015-12-25 22:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2015-02-08 17:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Richard Stallman; +Cc: 19791, larsi > Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 13:57:04 +0200 > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> > Cc: 19791@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org > > > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> > > Cc: 19791@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org > > Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 12:30:42 +1100 > > > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > > > > > Where's that in the sources? > > > > `shr-color-check' and `shr-color-visible'. > > I think I see the problem: it is somehow related to bug #19802. In > particular, even if I do this: > > M-: (set-frame-parameter (selected-frame) 'background-color "black") RET > > I still get nil from (frame-parameter nil 'background-color). And > shr-color-check relies on the latter to report the background color of > the frame. > > So I guess solving that bug will also solve this, or at least move > closer to its solution. This turned out to be broken in more than one way, some of them only on master. The patch to fix them, relative to the current master, is below. I installed the changes on the branch and will install the master part shortly. Richard, could you please see if this solves the problem with "invisible" colors in HTML mails for you? It did for me. diff --git a/lisp/frame.el b/lisp/frame.el index ecb433e..8dce86b 100644 --- a/lisp/frame.el +++ b/lisp/frame.el @@ -259,6 +259,10 @@ (defun frame-notice-user-settings () (let ((newparms (frame-parameters)) (frame (selected-frame))) (tty-handle-reverse-video frame newparms) + ;; tty-handle-reverse-video might change the frame's + ;; color parameters, and we need to use the updated + ;; value below. + (setq newparms (frame-parameters)) ;; If we changed the background color, we need to update ;; the background-mode parameter, and maybe some faces, ;; too. @@ -266,7 +270,7 @@ (defun frame-notice-user-settings () (unless (or (assq 'background-mode initial-frame-alist) (assq 'background-mode default-frame-alist)) (frame-set-background-mode frame)) - (face-set-after-frame-default frame)))))) + (face-set-after-frame-default frame newparms)))))) ;; If the initial frame is still around, apply initial-frame-alist ;; and default-frame-alist to it. @@ -1200,7 +1204,9 @@ (defun set-background-color (color-name) (modify-frame-parameters (selected-frame) (list (cons 'background-color color-name))) (or window-system - (face-set-after-frame-default (selected-frame)))) + (face-set-after-frame-default (selected-frame) + (list + (cons 'background-color color-name))))) (defun set-foreground-color (color-name) "Set the foreground color of the selected frame to COLOR-NAME. @@ -1210,7 +1216,9 @@ (defun set-foreground-color (color-name) (modify-frame-parameters (selected-frame) (list (cons 'foreground-color color-name))) (or window-system - (face-set-after-frame-default (selected-frame)))) + (face-set-after-frame-default (selected-frame) + (list + (cons 'foreground-color color-name))))) (defun set-cursor-color (color-name) "Set the text cursor color of the selected frame to COLOR-NAME. diff --git a/src/frame.c b/src/frame.c index 96fe377..9060f56 100644 --- a/src/frame.c +++ b/src/frame.c @@ -2615,7 +2615,12 @@ It is a list of elements of the form (PARM . VALUE), where PARM is a symbol. important when param_alist's notion of colors is "unspecified". We need to do the same here. */ if (STRINGP (value) && !FRAME_WINDOW_P (f)) - value = frame_unspecified_color (f, value); + { + Lisp_Object tem = frame_unspecified_color (f, value); + + if (!NILP (tem)) + value = tem; + } } else value = Fcdr (Fassq (parameter, Fframe_parameters (frame))); diff --git a/src/xfaces.c b/src/xfaces.c index 6e01ab0..6866aa8 100644 --- a/src/xfaces.c +++ b/src/xfaces.c @@ -5703,7 +5703,7 @@ ALIST is an alist of (REGISTRY ALTERNATIVE1 ALTERNATIVE2 ...) entries. if (STRINGP (color) && SCHARS (color) && CONSP (Vtty_defined_color_alist) - && (def = assq_no_quit (color, call1 (Qtty_color_alist, frame)), + && (def = assoc_no_quit (color, call1 (Qtty_color_alist, frame)), CONSP (def))) { /* Associations in tty-defined-color-alist are of the form ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* bug#19791: 25.0.50; Bad HTML rendering 2015-02-08 17:52 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2015-12-25 22:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen 2015-12-26 6:14 ` Richard Stallman 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2015-12-25 22:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 19791, Richard Stallman Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > This turned out to be broken in more than one way, some of them only > on master. The patch to fix them, relative to the current master, is > below. I installed the changes on the branch and will install the > master part shortly. > > Richard, could you please see if this solves the problem with > "invisible" colors in HTML mails for you? It did for me. I can't see any further followup here, so I'm assuming this was fixed, and I'm closing the bug report. Please open if this turns out to be wrong. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* bug#19791: 25.0.50; Bad HTML rendering 2015-12-25 22:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2015-12-26 6:14 ` Richard Stallman 0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2015-12-26 6:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 19791 [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] I confirm that the bug no longer happens in the Emacs sources I fetched today. Thanks. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* bug#19791: 25.0.50; Bad HTML rendering 2015-02-06 13:19 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen 2015-02-06 14:49 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2015-02-07 12:43 ` Richard Stallman 2015-02-07 13:09 ` Eli Zaretskii 1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2015-02-07 12:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 19791 [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > You're running Emacs on a tty? Have you told Emacs what the background > colour is? I think the function is `set-background-color'. I did (set-background-color "black") but it did not change anything. I also tried (setq frame-background-mode 'dark) but it did not change anything. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* bug#19791: 25.0.50; Bad HTML rendering 2015-02-07 12:43 ` Richard Stallman @ 2015-02-07 13:09 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2015-02-07 13:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: rms; +Cc: 19791, larsi > Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 07:43:26 -0500 > From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> > Cc: 19791@debbugs.gnu.org > > I did (set-background-color "black") but it did not change anything. > > I also tried (setq frame-background-mode 'dark) but it did not change > anything. These all are manifestations of bug #19802. I'm working on fixing it. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* bug#19791: 25.0.50; Bad HTML rendering 2015-02-06 12:41 bug#19791: 25.0.50; Bad HTML rendering Richard Stallman 2015-02-06 13:19 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2015-02-06 15:31 ` Stefan Monnier 2015-02-06 15:44 ` Eli Zaretskii ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2015-02-06 15:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Richard Stallman; +Cc: 19791 > It specifies black letters, but it's a bug to blindly obey that. Unless it specified this color specifically because it wanted the text to be invisible. Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* bug#19791: 25.0.50; Bad HTML rendering 2015-02-06 15:31 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2015-02-06 15:44 ` Eli Zaretskii 2015-02-06 18:09 ` Stefan Monnier 2015-02-07 7:14 ` Ivan Shmakov 2015-02-07 12:44 ` Richard Stallman 2 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2015-02-06 15:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: 19791, rms > Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:31:05 -0500 > Cc: 19791@debbugs.gnu.org > > > It specifies black letters, but it's a bug to blindly obey that. > > Unless it specified this color specifically because it wanted the text > to be invisible. Not in this case. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* bug#19791: 25.0.50; Bad HTML rendering 2015-02-06 15:44 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2015-02-06 18:09 ` Stefan Monnier 2015-02-07 1:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Stefan Monnier @ 2015-02-06 18:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 19791, rms >> > It specifies black letters, but it's a bug to blindly obey that. >> Unless it specified this color specifically because it wanted the text >> to be invisible. > Not in this case. I know; I was just pointing out that we might need to be careful with the corner cases. Stefan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* bug#19791: 25.0.50; Bad HTML rendering 2015-02-06 18:09 ` Stefan Monnier @ 2015-02-07 1:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2015-02-07 1:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: 19791, rms Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes: > I know; I was just pointing out that we might need to be careful with > the corner cases. The colours should probably not be adjusted if the HTML document provides both the background colour and the foreground colour. That's done today, though. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* bug#19791: 25.0.50; Bad HTML rendering 2015-02-06 15:31 ` Stefan Monnier 2015-02-06 15:44 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2015-02-07 7:14 ` Ivan Shmakov 2015-02-07 7:25 ` Matthew Carter 2015-02-07 12:44 ` Richard Stallman 2 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Ivan Shmakov @ 2015-02-07 7:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 19791 >>>>> Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA> writes: >> It specifies black letters, but it's a bug to blindly obey that. > Unless it specified this color specifically because it wanted the > text to be invisible. Except that the user should be free to override that. The “major” browsers already allow that, e. g., via the Stylish extension (see [1, 2]), and I believe that EWW should re-use their approach; namely: a. support proper CSS cascading; b. allow for custom (user-defined) styles. That being said, being myself a user of EWW on a 16-color Linux tty, I don’t see much value in trying to render HTML-specified colors, anyway. I’ve just disabled the feature over a year ago, – and never wanted it back. [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/stylish/ [2] https://userstyles.org/ -- FSF associate member #7257 http://boycottsystemd.org/ … 3013 B6A0 230E 334A ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* bug#19791: 25.0.50; Bad HTML rendering 2015-02-07 7:14 ` Ivan Shmakov @ 2015-02-07 7:25 ` Matthew Carter 2015-02-07 11:50 ` Ivan Shmakov 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Matthew Carter @ 2015-02-07 7:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 19791 Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.net> writes: >>>>>> Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA> writes: > > >> It specifies black letters, but it's a bug to blindly obey that. > > > Unless it specified this color specifically because it wanted the > > text to be invisible. > > Except that the user should be free to override that. > > The “major” browsers already allow that, e. g., via the Stylish > extension (see [1, 2]), and I believe that EWW should re-use > their approach; namely: a. support proper CSS cascading; > b. allow for custom (user-defined) styles. > > That being said, being myself a user of EWW on a 16-color > Linux tty, I don’t see much value in trying to render > HTML-specified colors, anyway. I’ve just disabled the feature > over a year ago, – and never wanted it back. > > [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/stylish/ > [2] https://userstyles.org/ Is there a way to disable background colors while leaving font colors in-tact? I hate having the background colored (either the full screen or behind text), but a little color on the words is nice in my opinion (I use a 256 color tty). -- Matthew Carter (m@ahungry.com) http://ahungry.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* bug#19791: 25.0.50; Bad HTML rendering 2015-02-07 7:25 ` Matthew Carter @ 2015-02-07 11:50 ` Ivan Shmakov 0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Ivan Shmakov @ 2015-02-07 11:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 19791 >>>>> Matthew Carter <m@ahungry.com> writes: >>>>> Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.net> writes: […] >> That being said, being myself a user of EWW on a 16-color Linux tty, >> I don’t see much value in trying to render HTML-specified colors, >> anyway. I’ve just disabled the feature over a year ago, – and never >> wanted it back. […] > Is there a way to disable background colors while leaving font colors > in-tact? Not any I’m aware of. Anyway, SHR currently only supports “direct” styling (for instance, it will colorize <i style="color: #080" />, but /not/ <i class="binomen" />, – even when the applicable CSS has ‘.binomen { color: #080; }’), so SHR support for colors is to be taken with a grain of salt. (And there’s a similar issue with multicolumn layouts, BTW.) > I hate having the background colored (either the full screen or > behind text), but a little color on the words is nice in my opinion > (I use a 256 color tty). Note that even when the support for colors proper is disabled, SHR will still use the shr-link, bold and italic faces for the contents of the respective HTML elements, as defined by the hard-coded mapping (yes, no CSS support there yet, either.) IMO, this gives just that little color on the words which is reasonable. -- FSF associate member #7257 np. Dust to Dust — Leviathan 3013 B6A0 230E 334A ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* bug#19791: 25.0.50; Bad HTML rendering 2015-02-06 15:31 ` Stefan Monnier 2015-02-06 15:44 ` Eli Zaretskii 2015-02-07 7:14 ` Ivan Shmakov @ 2015-02-07 12:44 ` Richard Stallman 2 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Richard Stallman @ 2015-02-07 12:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: 19791 [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > It specifies black letters, but it's a bug to blindly obey that. > Unless it specified this color specifically because it wanted the text > to be invisible. That is unlikely to be the case, but _even if it is_, it doesn't change the conclusion. Emacs should serve the user who wants to see the text, rather than someone else who wanted to hide it. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
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