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From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
To: Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.net>
Cc: 19284@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#19284: 25.0.50; tls.el uses option --insecure
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 09:46:42 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8737uk0zal.fsf@lifelogs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y4cdvyyr.fsf@violet.siamics.net> (Ivan Shmakov's message of "Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:25:48 +0000")

On Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:25:48 +0000 Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.net> wrote: 

IS> 	To note is that Gnus’ nnimap method has its own “tunnel utility”
IS> 	support, which I use to interface the local IMAP server (below),
IS> 	and which (I suppose) could be used in place of tls.el.

IS>    (nnimap-stream shell)
IS>    (nnimap-shell-program "MAIL=maildir:\"$HOME\"/Maildir imapd")

IS> 	That said, the lack of possibility to use something similar for
IS> 	non-nnimap connections is not something I’d appreciate.

IS> 	I’ve sure seen external utility support in other software, too.
IS> 	Check the OpenSSH client’s ProxyCommand option, for instance.

>> I think the benefit to the rest of the users will be worth it, and
>> that group can have a ELPA package to support them.

IS> 	As long as the hooks are in place to route the requests via that
IS> 	package, I have no (strong) objections to the move.

The package itself will install those hooks, I assume.

IS> 	But given that tls.el is about 300 LoC in total, and hardly
IS> 	incurs a high maintenance cost, I don’t see much value in the
IS> 	move, either.

There's a small but consistent amount of time spent checking "are you
using tls.el?" every time we debug a SSL/TLS issue (even if we don't ask
the user explicitly).

There is a user experience difference between relying on external tools
implicitly, which tls.el does, and explicitly, which ProxyCommand does.
Also, tls.el is not granular like ProxyCommand or the `nnimap-stream'
functionality, it applies to all connectivity. I hope that explains my
reasoning better.

Ted





  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-30 14:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-12-05 19:43 bug#19284: 25.0.50; tls.el uses option --insecure Jens Lechtenboerger
2015-12-26 21:15 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-26 21:39   ` Andreas Schwab
2015-12-26 21:49     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-27  9:59       ` Andreas Schwab
2015-12-28 22:04   ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-12-29 13:29     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-29 19:25     ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-12-30 14:46       ` Ted Zlatanov [this message]
2015-12-30 15:57         ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-12-30 16:38           ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-12-30 18:22         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-31 16:00           ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-12-31 18:32             ` Ivan Shmakov

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