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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: stephen.berman@gmx.net, stefan@marxist.se, 24774@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#24774: 26.0.50; Menu display navigation commands
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 05:30:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8735xiku8g.fsf@gnus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <838s7bqai9.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 26 Feb 2021 14:27:58 +0200")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> Because it's a better, more sensible way to define menus.
>
> But the same argument can be brought up for cl-macs.el and cl-lib.el
> and seq.el and map.el and pcase.el and probably several others.

Yes, of course.

> Where do we stop, if the criterion is "better and more sensible"
> (which are highly subjective judgments)?

I don't think anybody claims that the non-easymenu way of defining menus
is superior?

Our most important code is the one that is in the very core of Emacs,
and it's a shame we don't use more of these libraries there, and instead
open-code stuff badly.

easymenu.el is over-ripe for preloading since it's very hard to do much
in Emacs without it being pulled in anyway -- so you get no space
savings in practice, but just a slower Emacs.

>> (And possibly smaller .elc file, as I said.)
>
> I'd like to see the actual numbers, please.  And also the memory
> footprint before and after loading easymenu.  With the current code, I
> see a 0.25MB increase in the VM size after I load easymenu.elc.

Pre patch:

larsi@xo:~/src/emacs/trunk$ ls -l src/emacs src/emacs.pdmp lisp/progmodes/elisp-mode.elc
-rw-r--r-- 1 larsi larsi    60375 Feb 27 05:09 lisp/progmodes/elisp-mode.elc
-rwxr-xr-x 2 larsi larsi 32583784 Feb 27 05:10 src/emacs
-rw-r--r-- 2 larsi larsi 10630544 Feb 27 05:10 src/emacs.pdmp

Post patch:

larsi@xo:~/src/emacs/trunk$ ls -l src/emacs src/emacs.pdmp lisp/progmodes/elisp-mode.elc
-rw-r--r-- 1 larsi larsi    58798 Feb 27 05:21 lisp/progmodes/elisp-mode.elc
-rwxr-xr-x 2 larsi larsi 32583784 Feb 27 05:21 src/emacs
-rw-r--r-- 2 larsi larsi 10632360 Feb 27 05:21 src/emacs.pdmp

(- (+ 10632360 58798) (+ 10630544 60375)) => 239 bytes.

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-27  4:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-10-23 16:28 bug#24774: 26.0.50; Menu display navigation commands Andreas Röhler
2019-07-27 13:18 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-07-30  7:54   ` Andreas Röhler
2019-07-30 10:25     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-11-18 15:34       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-11-18 21:09         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-11-18 22:01           ` Drew Adams
2020-11-18 22:16             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-11-18 23:16               ` Drew Adams
2020-11-19  1:10                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-23 15:19           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-23 15:29             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-23 15:57             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-23 16:02               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-23 16:14                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-23 16:16                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-23 16:37                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-23 16:44                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-25  1:25                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-25  9:04                         ` Stephen Berman
2021-02-25  9:24                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-25 15:09                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-25 15:27                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-25 15:52                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-25 18:18                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-25 19:20                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-26  8:48                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-26 12:04                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-26 12:07                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-26 12:27                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-27  4:30                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen [this message]
2021-02-27  5:27                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-27  6:14                                               ` bug#24774: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-27  7:43                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-27 11:50                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-27 12:56                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-27 13:25                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-27 13:32                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-27 13:49                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-27 13:58                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-27 14:24                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-26 16:04                                           ` bug#24774: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-23 16:50                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-23 17:10                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-23 17:24                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-02-23 17:37                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-24 15:12                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-24 16:01                             ` Stephen Berman
2021-02-24 16:06                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-27 14:58     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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