From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#48494: 28.0.50; [PATCH] AngeFTP fails on macOS 10.14 with GNU inetutils FTP Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 15:02:43 +0200 Message-ID: <8735uh4ky4.fsf@gmx.de> References: <83mtsss1gn.fsf@gnu.org> <83o8d7rjl8.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33844"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 48494@debbugs.gnu.org To: Alex Bochannek Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu May 20 15:03:13 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ljiKW-0008YT-R6 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Thu, 20 May 2021 15:02:45 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Alex Bochannek's message of "Tue, 18 May 2021 18:34:25 -0700") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:1tFAzHVYx22dZhtqazXzeocfD2eM6TCtvVbP63iVVpRoAe4QVcY cLIk0mcmFqmid7zC9qXAHC1+kUTSj6ZRpFNIz7fRAfta+3rdncTb6Z8ODSsK4eKAUwNuFpf 3w/K5ve2Ol3Iz5gN8PS4d/VKLq0/nXuwgzKNwJ9Nkv3gxLB9klArl3IMz+W7bk3qEVbb0oP fVvzCxh45VZWB9kKMo6RA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:bCJGM24s0RA=:cLvGhEOw2s6Q49slv45+mK MBQmdsLhLjzqSfOifMz8lp6R8jnB7nOahRzwsogvAT85h++LmL1z0Yyfoh3iqMoZ4KsfYEHP+ +Ru+bzuX1pLyOnqtBz8s4/L4Kay32ohzfYUU5CtRrvLpEK9ByOMcn6TzptPEMYlaxJn8SO3Qs D0aiMo/tiAPpDbzMTs8GIuQMGR1jKuSuIqGgcGReteQ4kWGq1z+382KZi4pVM97RSAsW9zvTk 4rXXyCKdXkhY9PmLlWVmZkFD8vDhy3J1VR/xpo5cDvkR13FyPeVtckG8H7Oq3EhbsifcwNlat geP4BA2B+j3177UlmgUsge11zPMcxLuSBcBw+Tn3qjhXtuGrP6OiUpf0h+Zl8XnPwPwEWrHui th4zPUwsMZapfQM5EJtPOZC03lUO1XbI+0jke5rTAcqu3BxHGR3WHV1aOZycbRfC8V+GcLkvp 1YOBRIxrAUZ7jPW/9EHrls568pUjbjsUjMFKhmA5uMeMFtji5e+rir9p3hJcLStrssb6V+m2I 263YCpICNFkY42V37VKd2aeruvnyRgL9vTnSw8UlC95qdjOJwJQdkrUny8YWz9dbYoZKyWHTd t7CNwxxlqKza5U1uWdyiDR1j7Mw9sbw8tF1iqYj2Qi5N379e+98/Sgq2uIy9iyZF3K73qjy3w rignY82RG5oUNWEU8pPYOqRMldbSCg7EQtJSQGcZtuTPBeByHucfeFcvACLZp3aDGywmhR8Tt 9TkMOmBBalW8GdvmszRZ7BjIyHcm1mJjwH7z4tcBryYxy9cCFbRXUgysSIncypfHPaaJ+z/j X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:206942 Archived-At: Alex Bochannek writes: >>> > How about making the default value depend on the value of system-typ= e? >>> >>> You mean something like this? >> >> Yes. >> >>> The more I think about it, the more I am leaning against changing the >>> default. I don't fully understand what inetutils ftp is doing and why = -e >>> is needed. Maybe submitting a bug against inetutils is the right >>> approach here? >> >> Could be. > > I am sending in a report to bug-inetutils@gnu.org and see if they can > offer some insight. > >>> Are there any automated cross-platform tests to see on which platform >>> removing -v might break AngeFTP? >> >> I don't know. maybe Michael (CC'ed) does. > > I take back my comment about Windows and -v. On the command line > (cmd.exe), it absolutely does behave as the documentation indicated, but > I just tried out AngeFTP under Windows 7 (Version 6.1.7601) and it only > works with -v. Maybe Michael can explain what is going on there? Well, I'm not an expert in ftp, and especially, I'm not an expert in ftp client command line arguments. While I agree that adding the "-e" option to the ftp call in ange-ftp.el sounds reasonable, I have no idea what would be broken with some clients. A check for system-type is not sufficient, for every system there are different ftp clients, which could behave different. If we want to add a check for command argument availability, we would need to fire a test call, and to analyze, whether given command arguments are supported. We should take into consideration, that the default value for ange-ftp-ftp-program-args hasn't been changed for at least 21 years. We should also take into consideration, that ftp is being phased out in browsers like Chrome and Firefox; its importance is decreasing. So I propose to not change anything, and let users customize ange-ftp-ftp-program-args to their needs. Best regards, Michael.