From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#11912: 24.1; 'M' in Dired on a symlink does not refresh the display Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 15:52:34 +0200 Message-ID: <8735qw2tzx.fsf@gnus.org> References: <83txxeb6q8.fsf@gnu.org> <87tujf9m52.fsf@cnu407c2zx.nsn-intra.net> <87fsuyonpv.fsf@gnus.org> <8678ec5a-a5f2-8ae4-6212-c377c3abe9e8@cs.ucla.edu> <871r6hn64r.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17174"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: "Michalis V." , 11912@debbugs.gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 26 15:54:23 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mJFpn-0004Fh-0R for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 15:54:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36366 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mJFpl-000602-Vi for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 09:54:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60024) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mJFoW-0003PP-Hf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 09:53:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:37057) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mJFoW-0004wT-9F for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 09:53:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mJFoW-00012Q-8C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 09:53:04 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 13:53:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 11912 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 11912-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B11912.16299859703950 (code B ref 11912); Thu, 26 Aug 2021 13:53:04 +0000 Original-Received: (at 11912) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Aug 2021 13:52:50 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48600 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mJFoH-00011e-RT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 09:52:50 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:47532) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mJFoF-00011R-VI for 11912@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 09:52:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ICUp1G4GvhP+uc/fxOwPDJ+1yaOhASIwmfq+pmiP6x0=; b=ptbnjW7YQNpziZu5G6YITrINhg znDb1glGaOPHjIAzxhP7CaIT+1d2PUWR3RN3xDFRPXFydsv7VNbi9pMmLkobENX6bOBzdCY86yAxT Mnp5aceQITWLLgQj7la2evSssUFMapIdQQoOuuU7vky4mZ9krwbQitTmKlOfL1BsC+xc=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mJFo4-0001PD-AJ; Thu, 26 Aug 2021 15:52:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Paul Eggert's message of "Wed, 25 Aug 2021 10:59:23 -0700") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:212709 Archived-At: Paul Eggert writes: > Yes, that's what POSIX requires. However, Dired is different from the > POSIX shell, because a Dired user sees the permissions on a symbolic > link while typing the command to the edit permissions, and the natural > assumption is that one is editing what one is seeing. This is even > more true of Wdired (Bug#50189); and it's also quite true for Dired. Yeah, that's a good point. > That is why G, O, T should also be fixed (see Bug#50191). The Dired > users sees the group, ownership, and timestamp of the symlink while > typing the "change the group" (or whatever) command, so the natural > assumption is that one is changing what one is seeing. Yup. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no