From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#63800: 30.0.50; [ELPA] Inaccurate installation instructions for built-in packages Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2023 11:01:12 +0000 Message-ID: <8735322p6v.fsf@localhost> References: <87mt1mi6ry.fsf@localhost> <87y1l5q9p9.fsf@posteo.net> <875y89t2a1.fsf@localhost> <87mt1bks75.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20452"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 63800@debbugs.gnu.org To: Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 08 12:57:29 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q7DKa-00052y-4g for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2023 12:57:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q7DKB-0004ay-W9; Thu, 08 Jun 2023 06:57:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q7DK9-0004ZE-W7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2023 06:57:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q7DK9-0001Mb-NS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2023 06:57:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1q7DK9-0001Qb-JU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2023 06:57:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Ihor Radchenko Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2023 10:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 63800 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 63800-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B63800.16862218015432 (code B ref 63800); Thu, 08 Jun 2023 10:57:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 63800) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jun 2023 10:56:41 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55737 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1q7DJp-0001PY-94 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2023 06:56:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:48169) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1q7DJk-0001PH-Kl for 63800@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2023 06:56:40 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AAE13240101 for <63800@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 8 Jun 2023 12:56:29 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1686221789; bh=Jo+K7BbYOOZdFIALRfGyFwvvGjbnrlUnlplLES8py3Q=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=pooEu/fJ3140KKvI62K1MHRvq+Vo7Buzs0XpQVAmAiAtaCiEukrgFX5wOXIa9Pq+E SYuRcO6ujUtwszhAL/TcA9OYqaCoyleWIvHZE/0GqeAA4+6BLPpalgOyGp/fEJ9+5o 9r8SQJtm4gw4UolwI80MV3x9zRcs5KyXs9CsV2sykohS2j76WCCQKaFuzd4Iua+z9w BKtam/spUU3adoDi5zqBcsPt9wiWgLX8ArV1+gErQRknLLFEGOYd63ppzJnA3kGGVV 1pamvWCbQsfMktMyEARjCn2aODwtPT4gaMVFDhhDV4Yf+3MkFuCSjZwlq0XLavW4J3 pnrNbySVlhHjg== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4QcLk44xP8z9rxF; Thu, 8 Jun 2023 12:56:28 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <87mt1bks75.fsf@posteo.net> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:263120 Archived-At: Philip Kaludercic writes: >>> You probably want to set `package-install-upgrade-built-in' to non-nil, >>> or use the package menu to install packages. >> >> Sure. But only in Emacs >=29 and it is not mentioned on the ELPA page. > > I am not a fan of the option to begin with, and wouldn't want to > advertise it. The official way of switching from built-in packages to > ELPA should still be to use the package menu. I will not argue about this. This bug report merely raises the issue with current installation instructions. You are in a better position to recommend one or another way to install/upgrade core packages from ELPA. >> For Emacs <29 ELPA instruction simply does not work - attempting to >> follow it will just produce unhelpful message that package is already >> installed. > > So what would you suggest changing? I suggest changing To install this package, run in Emacs: M-x package-install RET RET to something like This package is a part of Emacs since Emacs XX.X. To install the package in Emacs =XX.X to ELPA version: -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . 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