bug#74619: macOS: <ns-show-prefs> displayed as keybinding for \\[customize] on emacs -nw

bug#74619: macOS: <ns-show-prefs> displayed as keybinding for \\[customize] on emacs -nw

[Yoichi Nakayama]

I found that bug#55940 (https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=55940)
has not been fixed on Emacs started by "emacs -nw"

(substitute-command-keys "\\[customize]")
#("<ns-show-prefs>" 0 15 (font-lock-face help-key-binding face
help-key-binding))

I think this is because make-non-key-event for ns-* is not called
in this situation.

Tested environment:
GNU Emacs 29.4 (build 1, aarch64-apple-darwin21.6.0, NS appkit-2113.60
Version 12.6.6 (Build 21G646)) of 2024-08-03

-- 
Yoichi NAKAYAMA

bug#74619: macOS: <ns-show-prefs> displayed as keybinding for \\[customize] on emacs -nw

[Robert Pluim]

>>>>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 16:40:53 +0900, Yoichi Nakayama <yoichi.nakayama@gmail.com> said:

    Yoichi> I found that bug#55940 (https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=55940)
    Yoichi> has not been fixed on Emacs started by "emacs -nw"

    Yoichi> (substitute-command-keys "\\[customize]")
    Yoichi> #("<ns-show-prefs>" 0 15 (font-lock-face help-key-binding face
    Yoichi> help-key-binding))

    Yoichi> I think this is because make-non-key-event for ns-* is not called
    Yoichi> in this situation.

Right, but OTOH typical terminal setups donʼt allow you to use super
as a modifier anyway (unless Gerd has a magic recipe). I guess it
couldnʼt do too much harm to call the ns-specific portion of
`x-setup-function-keys' even when not in a graphical frame, but Iʼm
not sure where we could hook that into.

Robert
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bug#74619: macOS: <ns-show-prefs> displayed as keybinding for \\[customize] on emacs -nw

[Gerd Möllmann]

Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:

>>>>>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 16:40:53 +0900, Yoichi Nakayama <yoichi.nakayama@gmail.com> said:
>
>     Yoichi> I found that bug#55940 (https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=55940)
>     Yoichi> has not been fixed on Emacs started by "emacs -nw"
>
>     Yoichi> (substitute-command-keys "\\[customize]")
>     Yoichi> #("<ns-show-prefs>" 0 15 (font-lock-face help-key-binding face
>     Yoichi> help-key-binding))
>
>     Yoichi> I think this is because make-non-key-event for ns-* is not called
>     Yoichi> in this situation.
>
> Right, but OTOH typical terminal setups donʼt allow you to use super
> as a modifier anyway (unless Gerd has a magic recipe). I guess it
> couldnʼt do too much harm to call the ns-specific portion of
> `x-setup-function-keys' even when not in a graphical frame, but Iʼm
> not sure where we could hook that into.
>
> Robert

I think I have even 2 magic recipes :-).

1. Use a terminal like iTerm that supports the Kitty Keyboard Protocol,
and use kkp.el in Emacs. Example from my Emacs C-h k Command-M g ives

  s-m runs the command magit-file-dispatch (found in global-map), which
  is an autoloaded interactive native-comp-function in ‘magit-files.el’.

That requires some fiddling with iTerm key settings so that iTerm itself
doesn't use the Command keys one wants to define.

  https://sw.kovidgoyal.net/kitty/keyboard-protocol/
  https://github.com/benjaminor/kkp


2. Use something like Devil

  https://github.com/susam/devil/blob/main/devil.el

In short, that can map input like `. x' to `s-x'. I think there is at
least one other similar package named God, but I haven't tried that.

bug#74619: macOS: <ns-show-prefs> displayed as keybinding for \\[customize] on emacs -nw

[Yoichi Nakayama]

> Right, but OTOH typical terminal setups donʼt allow you to use super
> as a modifier anyway (unless Gerd has a magic recipe).

It's not true. We can run commands that use super with "C-x @ s" instead.
I think there is no way to enter ns-*.

On Mon, Dec 2, 2024 at 11:09 PM Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 16:40:53 +0900, Yoichi Nakayama <yoichi.nakayama@gmail.com> said:
>
>     Yoichi> I found that bug#55940 (https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=55940)
>     Yoichi> has not been fixed on Emacs started by "emacs -nw"
>
>     Yoichi> (substitute-command-keys "\\[customize]")
>     Yoichi> #("<ns-show-prefs>" 0 15 (font-lock-face help-key-binding face
>     Yoichi> help-key-binding))
>
>     Yoichi> I think this is because make-non-key-event for ns-* is not called
>     Yoichi> in this situation.
>
> Right, but OTOH typical terminal setups donʼt allow you to use super
> as a modifier anyway (unless Gerd has a magic recipe). I guess it
> couldnʼt do too much harm to call the ns-specific portion of
> `x-setup-function-keys' even when not in a graphical frame, but Iʼm
> not sure where we could hook that into.
>
> Robert
> --



-- 
Yoichi NAKAYAMA

bug#74619: macOS: <ns-show-prefs> displayed as keybinding for \\[customize] on emacs -nw

[Robert Pluim]

>>>>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 22:53:43 +0900, Yoichi Nakayama <yoichi.nakayama@gmail.com> said:

    >> Right, but OTOH typical terminal setups donʼt allow you to use super
    >> as a modifier anyway (unless Gerd has a magic recipe).

    Yoichi> It's not true. We can run commands that use super with "C-x @ s" instead.
    Yoichi> I think there is no way to enter ns-*.

Thatʼs true, Iʼd forgotten about that.

So calling the right bits of `x-setup-function-keys' would fix this,
but I have no clue where we could call that from. Perhaps we can add a
"term/ns-common.el" and load that from "loadup.el" when (featurep 'ns)
? Except then it would probably end up being called twice when using
GUI emacs on macOS.

Robert
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