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[45.2.119.34]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x11sm1584947ion.10.2019.05.24.19.21.50 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 24 May 2019 19:21:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20190524151617874644844@bob.proulx.com> (Bob Proulx's message of "Fri, 24 May 2019 15:35:25 -0600") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:159742 Archived-At: Bob Proulx writes: > This is driving me crazy! This continous activity, changing, and > flashing is extremely annoying. > > The minibuffer is where I expect to find useful editor feedback. [...] > But with global-eldoc-mode enabled it is continously posting > distractions in the minibuffer that I must look at, read and > comprehend, and then ignore. This increases the editing workload. > This increases use fatigue. > > Please revert the default enabling of global-eldoc-mode. Hmm, well I like the current default. I find it annoying when I'm troubleshooting with 'emacs -Q' in older Emacs versions that eldoc isn't enabled. But I could live with having to turn it on in my init file. Not really sure on what basis we could decide on the default (sometimes people throw out the suggestion of polling the users, but I don't know of any practical way of getting a representative sample).