From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#45330: 28.0.50; debbugs-gnu: Can't select reports before having started Gnus Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2021 10:06:24 -0800 Message-ID: <871r2pehgf.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <877dpddqo1.fsf@web.de> <8735zzhi4w.fsf@gnus.org> <87y2hrfxcs.fsf@web.de> <877dpb6suo.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87tusd3i70.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87sg7xrt82.fsf@web.de> <87tuscz974.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87y250vu1f.fsf@gnus.org> <87czmbj3w4.fsf@web.de> <87o85urfxg.fsf@gnus.org> <87mtlelmpz.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87y24ynv3g.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18332"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: 45330@debbugs.gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:C4vUBKcFhvYjluQEFA94/DYkod0= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 06 19:07:17 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1muIOT-0004aD-16 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 19:07:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47956 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muIOQ-00009W-Sf for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 13:07:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55708) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muIOE-00008c-GI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 13:07:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:52044) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muIOE-0001Rm-7e for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 13:07:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1muIOD-0002By-Um for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 13:07:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <877dpddqo1.fsf@web.de> Resent-From: Eric Abrahamsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2021 18:07:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 45330 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.16388140108407 (code B ref -1); Mon, 06 Dec 2021 18:07:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Dec 2021 18:06:50 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35357 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1muIO2-0002BW-Ja for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 13:06:50 -0500 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:49606) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1muIO1-0002BP-0t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 13:06:49 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55654) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muIO0-0008WT-Fr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 13:06:48 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:43458) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muINy-0001QM-9W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 13:06:48 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1muINs-0003kM-Jh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 19:06:40 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:221774 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Eric Abrahamsen writes: > >> I can switch the test to be something more explicit, but how about -- >> bear with me here -- making `gnus-summary-line-format' a group >> parameter? It's something I've been thinking about for a while. It would >> be really nice to be able to give different groups different summary >> appearances. And it would allow Michael and everyone else to use a >> separate format string for groups like debbugs or whatnot, that are >> often opened without Gnus actually being running. >> >> WDYT? > > Uhm... I think it sounds like a surprising feature. People set that > variable from hooks, I think, and I think that's fine without getting > group parameters involved. Huh, that's odd, and something I hadn't considered. I wonder if the hooks would end up running after the group parameter setting. If so, I don't see why current configurations wouldn't simply continue to work as they have. > And I'm rather doubtful that this will fix the problems Michael are > experiencing. In debbugs groups or what have you, he would use a summary line format that didn't include registry-specific functions, only data that was available by default in the summary buffer.