From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#61325: 30.0.50; Jokes in GNUS manual Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2023 11:40:09 +0000 Message-ID: <871qn0e67a.fsf@localhost> References: <87ttzy7pg1.fsf@localhost> <87wn4u6xj0.fsf@yahoo.com> <871qn1afay.fsf@localhost> <87r0v17iul.fsf@yahoo.com> <87zg9peijp.fsf@localhost> <87mt5p7etx.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wn4tedtx.fsf@localhost> <87a61p7bpu.fsf@yahoo.com> <87r0v1e9kg.fsf@localhost> <871qn16j3i.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25999"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 61325@debbugs.gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 08 12:40:18 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pPioD-0006cB-I0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 12:40:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pPinz-0006Nt-V4; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 06:40:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pPiny-0006M9-D7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 06:40:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pPiny-00023o-3T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 06:40:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pPinx-0006Gx-Iz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 06:40:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Ihor Radchenko Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2023 11:40:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 61325 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 61325-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B61325.167585638624087 (code B ref 61325); Wed, 08 Feb 2023 11:40:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 61325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Feb 2023 11:39:46 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54916 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pPini-0006GQ-AN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 06:39:46 -0500 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:41255) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pPinf-0006G7-Vj for 61325@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 06:39:44 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7CFBA24004B for <61325@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 8 Feb 2023 12:39:35 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1675856377; bh=eQ0wedftkhfs1pc6xq5hNy5P6wsKRbgCio6LoIZCXJA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=jMX+Av+o+mDBUbDO7MmS9WIqDcHkyqlr2U5MQ66iK3pMLatDW6//LOUT/fVD6rt2g zveK8Taqy9sxFf6wNS/UKROV6AZVR9II2bdBYwW44H1cmCwHfZIVQagv6daoqeGJe6 x70eSyjlvfGYpDqgK05mdZTAwswDsKDLgjuQltkOas76bLh9V81YWAzn4eemYo54bt hqqao45ImZRGNn09vl8wEiGC/8nsQnmMMKdSuZjLABz050t5AAJtuKvHsi3Ov9o1NR +eLPfoFAHkXF/XMIe7Y55NfkkSLUkL9q14FIs0WtWpeSCkEhsVjRHk+Ch8AB2G/bet bsxzFB7ZKlB6w== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4PBdM748bZz9rxG; Wed, 8 Feb 2023 12:39:31 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <871qn16j3i.fsf@yahoo.com> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:255115 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > Ihor Radchenko writes: > >> Sorry, I do not understand this sentence. > > The phrase, ``let's not think further'', deliberately implies that > whoever is reading the manual should not think about the topic any more. > > That phrase does not appear in the Gnus manual. Do you imply that users who did not understand certain parts of manual because of presence of jokes should just try harder instead of asking to clarify of the manual? >> Or, would it be even better to run a small poll, similar to Emacs >> survey, presenting two versions of the section: with and without jokes, >> and asking which one is preferred? That will draw a more clear picture >> compared to just two mailing list dwellers arguing about what other >> people prefer. > > What happens with all such a polls is that the mob which has been trying > to remove all traces of possibly offensive material from software will > arrange for themselves to be represented disproportionately relative to > the majority of normal people who do not care at all. Can't we just add an extra answer to observe if such people are over-represented? Just asking if they enjoy, stay neutral, or feel offended about the version with jokes? -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at