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Mon, 24 Apr 2023 00:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from rltb ([82.66.8.55]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m4-20020adffa04000000b002fe96f0b3acsm10155231wrr.63.2023.04.24.00.48.08 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 24 Apr 2023 00:48:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: ("=?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_?= =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=A1vora?="'s message of "Thu, 20 Apr 2023 19:53:16 +0100") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:260550 Archived-At: >>>>> On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 19:53:16 +0100, Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora said: Jo=C3=A3o> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 7:08=E2=80=AFPM Robert Pluim wrote: >> "We" may not know that, but by the principle of not giving me things= *I* >> didn=CA=BCt ask for, *I* don=CA=BCt want ':core' packages being auto= matically >> upgraded, unless I either >>=20 >> 1. explicitly ask for such an upgrade >> 2. have myself somehow installed a newer version already, in which c= ase >> it=CA=BCs no longer a ':core' package >>=20 >> I=CA=BCve not checked, but does what=CA=BCs currently in emacs-29 no= t give us at >> least [1]? Jo=C3=A3o> Not when package dependencies are involved. If you weren't = aware, Jo=C3=A3o> in Emacs 26 (including 29), if you explicitly ask to install= package A Jo=C3=A3o> and it depends on :core package B, which you didn't ask to i= nstall, Jo=C3=A3o> package B gets upgraded. I think that=CA=BCs OK as a behaviour Jo=C3=A3o> In another data point, the last two patches I proposed to pa= ckage-install Jo=C3=A3o> are similar and only extend the "upgrade-even-if-:core" beha= viour Jo=C3=A3o> to two packages that weren't core are now :core. Those two = packages Jo=C3=A3o> are Eglot and Use-Package. The rationale I used to develop = these patches Jo=C3=A3o> was to protect users like you (inasmuch as Emacs 28 already = protects Jo=C3=A3o> you) _and_ to protect Eglot users. I am of course presuming= that Jo=C3=A3o> you aren't/weren't also an Eglot user, otherwise you would h= ave been Jo=C3=A3o> hit by these package upgrades related to dependencies in Ema= cs 28 Jo=C3=A3o> and would have noticed them. I use eglot on emacs-29, but have never installed it (and I never run emacs-28 any more :-)) Robert --=20