From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sean Whitton Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#73853: 31.0.50; Should and-let* become a synonym for when-let*? 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A lot of the discussions we have been having have been academic. We all agree that the legacy single binding syntax should be removed (I noticed that you didn't use that syntax anywhere in transient.el, when I updated it). The only question then is how exactly to deprecate that syntax. There is not complete agreement on the method of deprecation. But there never was going to be: it was a case where a head maintainer just had to make a choice about it, as Stefan did. Those who disagree are often tempted to say that there should have been more discussion. But it is reasonable to think about whether it is likely that further discussion would yield additional truth. I think it was clear to us here that, in this case, it would not. And indeed, instead of pointing out some critical point that you think we missed concerning this deprecation, in your message you instead wrote about highly abstract issues in design. The specific reason this change had to be backed out before has been addressed, in the interim. It was the time to do this. -- Sean Whitton