bug#74673: 30.0.92; face warning on legal elisp syntax

bug#74673: 30.0.92; face warning on legal elisp syntax

[Christopher Howard]

Hi, in Elisp buffers, I am occasionally seeing a face warning (red colored on my system) for what appears to be fully legal and functional syntax. Here is a recent example:

1. emacs -Q
2. paste the following into the *scratch* buffer

``` elisp
(t-transduce
 (t-scan
  (lambda (s c)
    (concatenate 'string s (string c))) "")
 #'t-cons
 "hello")
```

On my system, the text «"")», at the end of the «concatenate» line, is given font-lock-warning-face. Is this a bug, or some kind of warning about bad elisp style?


In GNU Emacs 30.0.92 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
 3.24.41, cairo version 1.18.0) of 2024-11-26 built on theoden
Repository revision: fc17e8727d48c32f2610c6fe7c17147bff7be52b
Repository branch: emacs-30
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101012
System Description: Guix System

Configured using:
 'configure --prefix=/home/christopher/local/emacs 'CFLAGS=-O0 -g3'
 PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/gnu/store/f335yc4x4ps0qalm4hafy0dggsfczfkj-profile/lib/pkgconfig:/gnu/store/f335yc4x4ps0qalm4hafy0dggsfczfkj-profile/share/pkgconfig:/home/christopher/.guix-home/profile/lib/pkgconfig:/home/christopher/.guix-home/profile/share/pkgconfig:/home/christopher/.guix-profile/lib/pkgconfig:/home/christopher/.guix-profile/share/pkgconfig'

Configured features:
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LCMS2 LIBSELINUX LIBXML2 MODULES NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP
SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X11 XDBE XIM XINPUT2 XPM
GTK3 ZLIB

Important settings:
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  value of $EMACSNATIVELOADPATH: /home/christopher/local/emacs/share/emacs/30.0.92/lisp:/home/christopher/.guix-home/profile/lib/emacs/native-site-lisp
  value of $LANG: en_US.utf8
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Major mode: Org

Minor modes in effect:
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bug#74673: 30.0.92; face warning on legal elisp syntax

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Christopher Howard <christopher@librehacker.com>
> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2024 09:49:03 -0900
> 
> Hi, in Elisp buffers, I am occasionally seeing a face warning (red colored on my system) for what appears to be fully legal and functional syntax. Here is a recent example:
> 
> 1. emacs -Q
> 2. paste the following into the *scratch* buffer
> 
> ``` elisp
> (t-transduce
>  (t-scan
>   (lambda (s c)
>     (concatenate 'string s (string c))) "")
>  #'t-cons
>  "hello")
> ```
> 
> On my system, the text «"")», at the end of the «concatenate» line, is given font-lock-warning-face. Is this a bug, or some kind of warning about bad elisp style?

The latter, I think.  If you insert a newline before that "", does the
warning face go away?

bug#74673: 30.0.92; face warning on legal elisp syntax

[Christopher Howard]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> The latter, I think.  If you insert a newline before that "", does the
> warning face go away?

Yes, it does go away.

If this is a style warning

(1) could we clarify what rule I'm breaking, exactly? Is this rule something I can toggle on/off?

(2) should we consider using a distinct face for style warnings?

I don't personally see a problem with putting a small argument at the end of a line, to save screen line space, though I wouldn't mind following the rule if it was set in somebody else's project.

-- 
Christopher Howard

bug#74673: 30.0.92; face warning on legal elisp syntax

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Christopher Howard <christopher@librehacker.com>
> Cc: 74673@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2024 10:19:18 -0900
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > The latter, I think.  If you insert a newline before that "", does the
> > warning face go away?
> 
> Yes, it does go away.
> 
> If this is a style warning

It is.

> (1) could we clarify what rule I'm breaking, exactly? Is this rule something I can toggle on/off?

Move the mouse pointer there and wait for a split-second: you will see
the answer in a tooltip.

> (2) should we consider using a distinct face for style warnings?

What's wrong with font-lock-warning-face?

> I don't personally see a problem with putting a small argument at the end of a line, to save screen line space, though I wouldn't mind following the rule if it was set in somebody else's project.

See the explanation in the tooltip.

bug#74673: 30.0.92; face warning on legal elisp syntax

[Christopher Howard]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> Move the mouse pointer there and wait for a split-second: you will see
> the answer in a tooltip.
>

Is there a way to view tooltips without making any use of the mouse? I see that I can get tooltips displayed in the echo area, but apparently I still must utilize the mouse to see the tooltip in the first place.

>> (2) should we consider using a distinct face for style warnings?
>
> What's wrong with font-lock-warning-face?
>

In my mind, a style warning is significantly different from a warning about somethat that might cause my code to malfunction when run or compiled. If there was a face specific to style warnings, I would make it a distinct and less dramatic face appearance.

I see this warning is hard coded in lisp-mode.el. There does not appear to be an option to turn this warning on or off, though I suppose I could replace lisp--match-hidden-arg with something that always returns not-matching.

-- 
Christopher Howard

bug#74673: 30.0.92; face warning on legal elisp syntax

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Christopher Howard <christopher@librehacker.com>
> Cc: 74673@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2024 11:48:19 -0900
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > Move the mouse pointer there and wait for a split-second: you will see
> > the answer in a tooltip.
> >
> 
> Is there a way to view tooltips without making any use of the mouse? I see that I can get tooltips displayed in the echo area, but apparently I still must utilize the mouse to see the tooltip in the first place.

Some nice features of the UI need the mouse, yes, and there's no
(easy) way around that.  That said, you can go to the "" part and type
"M-x describe-text-properties", which will pop a buffer that tells you
there's a help-echo property at that spot, and show a button which you
could press to have the text shown in the echo-area.

If you really need to be able to show tool tips without the mouse, you
can write a simple function to show its text in the echo-area.
However, most tooltips are shown on UI parts where you cannot go, so
such a command will be of somewhat limited use.

> >> (2) should we consider using a distinct face for style warnings?
> >
> > What's wrong with font-lock-warning-face?
> >
> 
> In my mind, a style warning is significantly different from a warning about somethat that might cause my code to malfunction when run or compiled. If there was a face specific to style warnings, I would make it a distinct and less dramatic face appearance.

It's the same case: we show this in the warning face because
oftentimes this is a mistaken code, because it's easy to misinterpret.

> I see this warning is hard coded in lisp-mode.el. There does not appear to be an option to turn this warning on or off, though I suppose I could replace lisp--match-hidden-arg with something that always returns not-matching.

This is Emacs, so you can do almost everything with it.  But my
recommendation is to get used to this warning face: it saved me from
trouble several times, and I'm sure others have similar experiences to
report.

bug#74673: 30.0.92; face warning on legal elisp syntax

[Kévin Le Gouguec]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Christopher Howard <christopher@librehacker.com>
>> Cc: 74673@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2024 11:48:19 -0900
>> 
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> 
>> > Move the mouse pointer there and wait for a split-second: you will see
>> > the answer in a tooltip.
>> >
>> 
>> Is there a way to view tooltips without making any use of the mouse? I see that I can get tooltips displayed in the echo area, but apparently I still must utilize the mouse to see the tooltip in the first place.
>
> Some nice features of the UI need the mouse, yes, and there's no
> (easy) way around that.  That said, you can go to the "" part and type
> "M-x describe-text-properties", which will pop a buffer that tells you
> there's a help-echo property at that spot, and show a button which you
> could press to have the text shown in the echo-area.
>
> If you really need to be able to show tool tips without the mouse, you
> can write a simple function to show its text in the echo-area.
> However, most tooltips are shown on UI parts where you cannot go, so
> such a command will be of somewhat limited use.

Apologies if I missed something: this specific diagnostic is also
visible with 'C-h .', right?

Feeling like this is worth mentioning because IME a lot of "mouse-bound"
information is actually reachable with display-local-help; though of
course describe-text-properties is definitely a useful tool to have in
one's kit (I usually reach for 'C-u C-x =' FWIW).

>> >> (2) should we consider using a distinct face for style warnings?
>> >
>> > What's wrong with font-lock-warning-face?
>> >
>> 
>> In my mind, a style warning is significantly different from a warning about somethat that might cause my code to malfunction when run or compiled. If there was a face specific to style warnings, I would make it a distinct and less dramatic face appearance.
>
> It's the same case: we show this in the warning face because
> oftentimes this is a mistaken code, because it's easy to misinterpret.

(IMHO the flymake-warning face (wavy underline) would be less
surprising; in fact I find this style check being part of the "regular"
font-locking a bit surprising too, this is the kind of opt-in linting
I'd expect of flymake 🤷)

bug#74673: 30.0.92; face warning on legal elisp syntax

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Kévin Le Gouguec <kevin.legouguec@gmail.com>
> Cc: Christopher Howard <christopher@librehacker.com>,  74673@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2024 18:12:06 +0100
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > Some nice features of the UI need the mouse, yes, and there's no
> > (easy) way around that.  That said, you can go to the "" part and type
> > "M-x describe-text-properties", which will pop a buffer that tells you
> > there's a help-echo property at that spot, and show a button which you
> > could press to have the text shown in the echo-area.
> >
> > If you really need to be able to show tool tips without the mouse, you
> > can write a simple function to show its text in the echo-area.
> > However, most tooltips are shown on UI parts where you cannot go, so
> > such a command will be of somewhat limited use.
> 
> Apologies if I missed something: this specific diagnostic is also
> visible with 'C-h .', right?

Yes.

> Feeling like this is worth mentioning because IME a lot of "mouse-bound"
> information is actually reachable with display-local-help; though of
> course describe-text-properties is definitely a useful tool to have in
> one's kit (I usually reach for 'C-u C-x =' FWIW).

If only that command had a more descriptive name...

> (IMHO the flymake-warning face (wavy underline) would be less
> surprising; in fact I find this style check being part of the "regular"
> font-locking a bit surprising too, this is the kind of opt-in linting
> I'd expect of flymake 🤷)

The wavy underline is used by flyspell-mode to show mis-spellings, so
I at least would be confused by seeing it on code.

bug#74673: 30.0.92; face warning on legal elisp syntax

[Robert Pluim]

>>>>> On Wed, 04 Dec 2024 19:32:54 +0200, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> said:

    >> From: Kévin Le Gouguec <kevin.legouguec@gmail.com>
    >> Cc: Christopher Howard <christopher@librehacker.com>,  74673@debbugs.gnu.org
    >> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2024 18:12:06 +0100
    >> 
    >> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
    >> 
    >> > Some nice features of the UI need the mouse, yes, and there's no
    >> > (easy) way around that.  That said, you can go to the "" part and type
    >> > "M-x describe-text-properties", which will pop a buffer that tells you
    >> > there's a help-echo property at that spot, and show a button which you
    >> > could press to have the text shown in the echo-area.
    >> >
    >> > If you really need to be able to show tool tips without the mouse, you
    >> > can write a simple function to show its text in the echo-area.
    >> > However, most tooltips are shown on UI parts where you cannot go, so
    >> > such a command will be of somewhat limited use.
    >> 
    >> Apologies if I missed something: this specific diagnostic is also
    >> visible with 'C-h .', right?

    Eli> Yes.

You could do something like this to economise on typing:

(defun display-help-string ()
    (when-let* ((help (help-at-pt-kbd-string)))
      (message "%s" (substitute-command-keys help))))
(add-hook 'post-command-hook #'display-help-string nil t)

(hmm, would it make sense to add something like that to eldoc?)

Robert
-- 

bug#74673: 30.0.92; face warning on legal elisp syntax

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
> Cc: Kévin Le Gouguec <kevin.legouguec@gmail.com>,
>   christopher@librehacker.com,  74673@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2024 10:28:55 +0100
> 
> >>>>> On Wed, 04 Dec 2024 19:32:54 +0200, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> said:
> 
>     >> From: Kévin Le Gouguec <kevin.legouguec@gmail.com>
>     >> Cc: Christopher Howard <christopher@librehacker.com>,  74673@debbugs.gnu.org
>     >> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2024 18:12:06 +0100
>     >> 
>     >> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>     >> 
>     >> > Some nice features of the UI need the mouse, yes, and there's no
>     >> > (easy) way around that.  That said, you can go to the "" part and type
>     >> > "M-x describe-text-properties", which will pop a buffer that tells you
>     >> > there's a help-echo property at that spot, and show a button which you
>     >> > could press to have the text shown in the echo-area.
>     >> >
>     >> > If you really need to be able to show tool tips without the mouse, you
>     >> > can write a simple function to show its text in the echo-area.
>     >> > However, most tooltips are shown on UI parts where you cannot go, so
>     >> > such a command will be of somewhat limited use.
>     >> 
>     >> Apologies if I missed something: this specific diagnostic is also
>     >> visible with 'C-h .', right?
> 
>     Eli> Yes.
> 
> You could do something like this to economise on typing:
> 
> (defun display-help-string ()
>     (when-let* ((help (help-at-pt-kbd-string)))
>       (message "%s" (substitute-command-keys help))))
> (add-hook 'post-command-hook #'display-help-string nil t)
> 
> (hmm, would it make sense to add something like that to eldoc?)

Given that we already have help-at-pt-display-when-idle, why is
anything else needed?

bug#74673: 30.0.92; face warning on legal elisp syntax

[Robert Pluim]

>>>>> On Thu, 05 Dec 2024 11:53:37 +0200, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> said:
    >> (hmm, would it make sense to add something like that to eldoc?)

    Eli> Given that we already have help-at-pt-display-when-idle, why is
    Eli> anything else needed?

I didnʼt know about `help-at-pt-display-when-idle' until now, it fits
the bill perfectly.

Thanks

Robert
-- 

bug#74673: 30.0.92; face warning on legal elisp syntax

[Jim Porter]

On 12/4/2024 4:23 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> If you really need to be able to show tool tips without the mouse, you
> can write a simple function to show its text in the echo-area.
> However, most tooltips are shown on UI parts where you cannot go, so
> such a command will be of somewhat limited use.

Flymake has an option for displaying diagnostic messages in-line: 
'flymake-show-diagnostics-at-end-of-line'. Maybe we could make Elisp 
mode use Flymake's facilities for marking the warning when it's active?

bug#74673: 30.0.92; face warning on legal elisp syntax

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2024 09:51:59 -0800
> Cc: 74673@debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@gmail.com>
> 
> On 12/4/2024 4:23 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > If you really need to be able to show tool tips without the mouse, you
> > can write a simple function to show its text in the echo-area.
> > However, most tooltips are shown on UI parts where you cannot go, so
> > such a command will be of somewhat limited use.
> 
> Flymake has an option for displaying diagnostic messages in-line: 
> 'flymake-show-diagnostics-at-end-of-line'. Maybe we could make Elisp 
> mode use Flymake's facilities for marking the warning when it's active?

I don't like features that use overlays to show long text, because
they case problems.  And in this case we already have a feature that
will display the tool-tip text in the echo-area: customize
help-at-pt-display-when-idle to the value t.

bug#74673: 30.0.92; face warning on legal elisp syntax

[Richard Stallman]

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  > > > (1) could we clarify what rule I'm breaking, exactly? Is this
  > > > rule something I can toggle on/off?

  > > Move the mouse pointer there and wait for a split-second: you will
  > > see the answer in a tooltip.

  > Is there a way to view tooltips without making any use of the mouse? I
  > see that I can get tooltips displayed in the echo area, but apparently
  > I still must utilize the mouse to see the tooltip in the first place.

When using Emacs in a Linux tty, there is nothing like a mouse.

Toolkits are helpful, but in no case should a tooltip be the only
recommended way to get the answer to a question.  There should be
abother way.

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bug#74673: 30.0.92; face warning on legal elisp syntax

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
> Cc: eliz@gnu.org, 74673@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2024 23:46:44 -0500
> 
>   > Is there a way to view tooltips without making any use of the mouse? I
>   > see that I can get tooltips displayed in the echo area, but apparently
>   > I still must utilize the mouse to see the tooltip in the first place.
> 
> When using Emacs in a Linux tty, there is nothing like a mouse.
> 
> Toolkits are helpful, but in no case should a tooltip be the only
> recommended way to get the answer to a question.  There should be
> abother way.

It turns out there is (since Emacs 22, no less): "C-h .".

bug#74673: 30.0.92; face warning on legal elisp syntax

[Christopher Howard]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> It turns out there is (since Emacs 22, no less): "C-h .".

Hi, I just wanted to mention that display-local-help (C-h .) does not necessarily provide help that is useful to a user not using a mouse. E.g., in a Gnus Article buffer, if you move point over an attachment button (gnus-header-content face), and run display-local-help, it will tell you "mouse-2: toggle the MIME part; down-mouse-3: more options". A mouse user can right click and get a large menu of commands that can be applied to that MIME part.

Maybe I am suppose to know how to send a down-mouse-3 without a mouse. Or perhaps there is another way to get that menu without a graphical pop-up. I'm interested to learn more.

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Christopher Howard

bug#74673: 30.0.92; face warning on legal elisp syntax

[Eli Zaretskii]

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> From: Christopher Howard <christopher@librehacker.com>
> Cc: rms@gnu.org,  74673@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 08:20:17 -0900
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > It turns out there is (since Emacs 22, no less): "C-h .".
> 
> Hi, I just wanted to mention that display-local-help (C-h .) does not necessarily provide help that is useful to a user not using a mouse. E.g., in a Gnus Article buffer, if you move point over an attachment button (gnus-header-content face), and run display-local-help, it will tell you "mouse-2: toggle the MIME part; down-mouse-3: more options". A mouse user can right click and get a large menu of commands that can be applied to that MIME part.

It is not the purpose of this command to replace the context menu.
The purpose is to show either the button help (which is what you cite)
or the help-echo text.

> Maybe I am suppose to know how to send a down-mouse-3 without a mouse.

I didn't mean to say that every mouse gesture in Emacs has an
equivalent keyboard command, but in many cases you should be able to
invoke the same command via M-x.

In any case, what you describe now is not related to the original
subject of this bug report.  If you think every mouse gesture in Emacs
should have a keyboard equivalent, please submit a separate
feature-request bug report about that, because it will otherwise be
lost in this bug.

> Or perhaps there is another way to get that menu without a graphical pop-up. I'm interested to learn more.

Look up the command that down-mouse-3 invokes there, then use "C-h w"
to find its other bindings, if any.

bug#74673: 30.0.92; face warning on legal elisp syntax

[Christopher Howard]

Now that I know that I know more about what is going on, and it isn't a bug, I'll close this bug report. Regarding the style system, I think I would rather just go with the flow of the way things are rather than fight for any specific changes.

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Christopher Howard