From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21305: 25.0.50; `get-buffer-window-list' doc - what order? Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 08:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870b6a90-e498-4ed9-9e41-d498edf33aec@default> References: <<5430f5a7-2939-4f96-8c6c-3e820ffcfd6b@default>> <<83oai0iwbc.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1440169775 27958 80.91.229.3 (21 Aug 2015 15:09:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 15:09:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 21305@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 21 17:09:21 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZSnwP-0002Ya-8J for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 17:09:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42018 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZSnwO-0000oI-EM for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 11:09:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42274) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZSnwI-0000nQ-AC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 11:09:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZSnwE-0000Kf-6f for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 11:09:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:42397) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZSnwE-0000Ka-4X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 11:09:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZSnwD-0002GN-PI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 11:09:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2015 15:09:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21305 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21305-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21305.14401697108658 (code B ref 21305); Fri, 21 Aug 2015 15:09:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21305) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Aug 2015 15:08:30 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34607 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZSnvi-0002Fa-AH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 11:08:30 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:27697) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZSnvg-0002FS-PL for 21305@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 11:08:29 -0400 Original-Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t7LF8RrQ019705 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Aug 2015 15:08:27 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t7LF8QlG002822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Aug 2015 15:08:27 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0012.oracle.com (abhmp0012.oracle.com [141.146.116.18]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t7LF8QqE019049; Fri, 21 Aug 2015 15:08:26 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83oai0iwbc.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:105658 Archived-At: > > > The order is unspecified, which means the caller should not > > > depend on it. I don't think there's anything wrong with that; > > > do you? > > > > Well, it's certainly the prerogative of designers to decide that > > the order is undefined and that users cannot depend on it. In > > that case, you can close the bug now. > > > > But as one user I'm disappointed. I was hoping for a usable > > window order. >=20 > It's the order of traversing the window tree depth-first (as > described in the ELisp manual under "Cyclic Window Ordering"). If so, then the order is not undefined. (It's a design decision whether Emacs wants to commit to supporting this order or just tell users that the order is undefined, keeping its options open.) > I don't see how saying that would be of any help to users of this > function. Well, it apparently won't help me in my quest for a chronological ordering of windows for the same buffer by access time. But I think it would be helpful to tell users that the order is the same as that described in `Cyclic Window Ordering'. > Describing the order would require a non-trivial amount of text, so > without a good reason, I don't think we should add it. How is it more difficult than saying that the order is the same as that specified in `Cyclic Window Ordering', and xreffing that node? Perhaps I'm missing something. And I will leave it up to you to decide what, if anything, should be said about the order. Thanks for thinking about it.