From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#70326: 30.0.50; Backup Files documentation does not match observed behaviour Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2024 10:38:49 +0300 Message-ID: <86zfu0tkl2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86h6g9ul5s.fsf@gnu.org> <87ttk9ujzy.fsf@metalevel.at> <86edbduiep.fsf@gnu.org> <878r1l57bg.fsf@metalevel.at> <86cyqwv3r8.fsf@gnu.org> <87frvsfmxn.fsf@metalevel.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4330"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 70326@debbugs.gnu.org To: Markus Triska Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 11 09:40:09 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rup2X-0000kk-BE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2024 09:40:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rup2I-0007oI-Qo; Thu, 11 Apr 2024 03:39:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rup2H-0007no-Kr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2024 03:39:53 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rup2H-0007dQ-Bb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2024 03:39:53 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rup2Q-0004xT-Dc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2024 03:40:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2024 07:40:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 70326 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 70326-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B70326.171282115618738 (code B ref 70326); Thu, 11 Apr 2024 07:40:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 70326) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Apr 2024 07:39:16 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54825 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rup1Y-0004qr-Dp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2024 03:39:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57938) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rup1X-0004pg-5E for 70326@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2024 03:39:07 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rup1I-0007Yd-2F; Thu, 11 Apr 2024 03:38:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=1tInU4xJXhRDjY+xeMIWtl8GBqcFxImyjx4sUTiXS4k=; b=GSRqQwzOuTzVJbG+PaIw 3/D7FsAyUpcuGTB72K/eqSuROBlrHJOlhdziebPNGCY0jwaJD07MfJU1siiVMDwDHQe9O4KVs7x4n 7VZH2nabfYbHxPxDWJ5u0eey8XBh2RdkzDfC8YaPLZ8R76WRo/Wlt3OacmB8P4s7jacsA/qZWNUxx 8wA4PvSP+du8MPNbXm5J6fm/JWs5aaDg6T4/+w0jv6yZOth3LMzGrw1aIuTkLy7sMsJc0wg/hToH4 yGr4Sw4BLjH76doT5Y5/dOcaS2L8uBsYaWcEoCcsmIHxsoK7idA6UNQB+08lGiIXDlsFyVWpw9kW1 hc/qfzvDVlQm2w==; In-Reply-To: <87frvsfmxn.fsf@metalevel.at> (message from Markus Triska on Thu, 11 Apr 2024 08:11:48 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:283083 Archived-At: > From: Markus Triska > Cc: 70326@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2024 08:11:48 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > When have you last looked at the documentation in that part of the > > manual? > > I last looked at it a few seconds ago to verify that it still reads as I > originally posted it, and indeed it still reads: > > Emacs makes a backup for a file only the first time the file is > saved from a buffer. Here, it says this instead: A “backup file” is a copy of the old contents of a file you are editing. Emacs makes a backup file the first time you save a buffer into its visited file. > To repeat the original issue, this is not the behaviour I observe: There > are cases where the file is saved from a buffer, and Emacs does not make > a backup. I previously posted an example in this thread, and I hope you > find it useful. Thank you a lot! In the two cases you posted, the buffer was not saved into the file visited by the buffer, so this is not "backup" in Emacs terms.