From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#71370: 30.0.50; Please un-obsolete buffer-substring as a generalized variable Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2024 11:16:17 +0300 Message-ID: <86zfrdie9a.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87iky4zedz.fsf@web.de> <545868c6-1a14-4a3f-9939-da2477c0a902@alphapapa.net> <871q4reij4.fsf@web.de> <87le2z7h37.fsf@localhost> <87ed8pnc1w.fsf@web.de> <874j9lo6ll.fsf@localhost> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26080"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, adam@alphapapa.net, acorallo@gnu.org, 71370@debbugs.gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 22 10:17:24 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sKvw3-0006ZS-KN for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 22 Jun 2024 10:17:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sKvvm-0007qP-Kr; Sat, 22 Jun 2024 04:17:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sKvvl-0007q9-1f for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jun 2024 04:17:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sKvvj-0000o6-E5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jun 2024 04:17:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sKvvi-0007o3-7o for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jun 2024 04:17:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2024 08:17:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 71370 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 71370-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B71370.171904419429956 (code B ref 71370); Sat, 22 Jun 2024 08:17:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 71370) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jun 2024 08:16:34 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44225 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sKvvG-0007n5-0g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jun 2024 04:16:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53100) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sKvvC-0007mi-46 for 71370@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jun 2024 04:16:31 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sKvv4-0000XH-2Y; Sat, 22 Jun 2024 04:16:22 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=jPbKG9uw8grRUhLSXkWRk5WichMCmq69jNtDCzED8Rs=; b=PzlTNwpbjxk4 MB5V8kF86KAhI8XofTxMws1tEkRUI9EVrH28OnvIYAeHGwGbvYQHa5kh+818t7oyvj5OPRA/sj67W L3uGqHCuWbLTiQH6hTC4hr9QdvioU/Dg2GctYrVSdyL/dNCv6XgsICHBFgHxIAXwzjY8f4iIy7zK1 +YCtCr23daKzqAkKuWAj2LIuQ//EQ09uePOPdYG2OValDlkBWWzRQFg6SU7TDhFIEqKNSLsrTd6vz iVTeryowsYv9HESD30LXZ7iQG+9qox6d2IYgYmnbjN2OGeeXKuwWYZHI05a3skr07ByLPwuuHveN2 HGRAej/zKDkpSmq2s8+AyA==; In-Reply-To: <874j9lo6ll.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Sat, 22 Jun 2024 06:05:10 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:287662 Archived-At: > Cc: Adam Porter , 71370@debbugs.gnu.org, > Andrea Corallo > From: Ihor Radchenko > Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2024 06:05:10 +0000 > > Michael Heerdegen writes: > > > These were exactly the kind of problems why those place expressions had > > been obsoleted. > > Do note that the original reason of obsoletion was different: Commit log messages are not a legal document, so treating them as if they were the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth is not TRT. (I'm guessing that Org commit log messages don't necessarily tell the whole story behind the changes, either, at least not in all cases.) While having some reason in the commit log message can be used as evidence that its author had that in mind, the absence of a reason can NOT and should not be used as evidence that it was NOT in the author's mind.