From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#52384: [External] : bug#52384: 26.3; dired buffer navigation tweak Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 21:28:29 +0200 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <86y24phbc2.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <69e7c202-8ad6-46c7-800a-f54f0b314d61@provide.net> <86y24rlylf.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86zgp68c8j.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86czm1k65h.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39544"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: Michael Perry , Stefan Kangas , "52384@debbugs.gnu.org" <52384@debbugs.gnu.org> To: Arthur Miller Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 12 20:31:11 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mwUYx-000A35-Hi for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2021 20:31:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55634 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mwUYw-0005FP-5f for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2021 14:31:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37698) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mwUYo-0005F0-Vn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2021 14:31:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:41642) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mwUYo-0006Af-NA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2021 14:31:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mwUYo-0001Bu-Hn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2021 14:31:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 19:31:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52384 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 52384-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52384.16393374514560 (code B ref 52384); Sun, 12 Dec 2021 19:31:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 52384) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Dec 2021 19:30:51 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53188 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mwUYc-0001BU-SH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2021 14:30:51 -0500 Original-Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.193]:34773) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mwUYZ-0001BE-BV for 52384@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2021 14:30:48 -0500 Original-Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay1-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E2747240009; Sun, 12 Dec 2021 19:30:38 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Arthur Miller's message of "Sun, 12 Dec 2021 20:15:44 +0100") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:222259 Archived-At: >> Maybe then like there is a user option `ls-lisp-dirs-first' >> for ls-lisp.el, a similar option should be added to dired as well, >> so users won't need to manually add "--group-directories-first" >> to `dired-listing-switches'. Do you agree? > > After I posted my comment to Drew, I realized later, that > '--group-directories-first' does not exist in all 'ls' implementations. Bsd ls > does not seem to have it, correct me if I am wrong, so I am not sure it can be a > default for Emacs. Maybe such 'ls' implementations could be detected using something like 'grep-probe'? > Unless Emacs defaults to ls-lisp.el on all platforms but gnu/Linux? Dired defaults to ls-lisp.el on ms-dos and windows-nt, and 'ls-lisp-dirs-first' default to t when 'ls-lisp-emulation' is 'MS-Windows'.