From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Andrea Corallo <acorallo@gnu.org>
Cc: 71356@debbugs.gnu.org, philipk@posteo.net, paaguti@gmail.com
Subject: bug#71356: use-package doesn't load org from elpa
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2024 15:18:21 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <86y17d7zzm.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yp1jzixky9a.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Andrea Corallo on Mon, 10 Jun 2024 04:17:21 -0400)
> From: Andrea Corallo <acorallo@gnu.org>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, paaguti@gmail.com, 71356@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2024 04:17:21 -0400
>
> Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net> writes:
>
> > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> >
> >>> From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
> >>> Cc: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez <paaguti@gmail.com>, acorallo@gnu.org,
> >>> 71356@debbugs.gnu.org
> >>> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2024 06:15:44 +0000
> >>>
> >>> Sorry for the delayed response; I don't think that has to be expected.
> >>> While use-package can utilise package.el for package management, my
> >>> impression is that it is at liberty to be more flexible/declarative.
> >>
> >> Doesn't use-package utilize package.el already?
> >>
> >> If not, how does it handle installation and upgrades? by its own code?
> >
> > By default it uses package.el, but there is an option to change it.
> >
> >>> > Do you have package-install-upgrade-built-in set non-nil? If not, can
> >>> > you set it non-nil and try the recipe again?
> >>>
> >>> I have tried it out myself, and it doesn't appear to do anything. The
> >>> issue looks like that `package-installed-p' doesn't respect
> >>> package-install-upgrade-built-in or :pin.
> >>
> >> We should fix that, I think. If package-install-upgrade-built-in is
> >> non-nil, use-package should upgrade built-in packages.
> >>
> >>> > As for a feature request: what exactly is the feature requested here?
> >>> > Are you saying that use-package should automatically upgrade built-in
> >>> > packages? If so, I don't think this will fly, since it would mean
> >>> > inconsistencies with package-install.
> >>>
> >>> IIUC the feature would be that if a use-package form has a
> >>>
> >>> :pin gnu
> >>>
> >>> argument, then this is an indication that we want to install the package
> >>> from GNU ELPA, disregarding the fact that Emacs already has a built-in
> >>> version of the same package. Sort of a package-local version of
> >>> `package-install-upgrade-built-in'.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure. People tend to copy/paste recipes from the Internet
> >> without really understanding what they do. I think a simple :pin
> >> should not be sufficient, we need some specialized keyword (in
> >> addition to supporting package-install-upgrade-built-in).
> >
> > To me :pin would make perfect sense, as it explicitly expresses what
> > archive we want to follow for package upgrades.
>
> +1, also use-package interface is very declarative and I'm not sure
> having it influenced by a dynamic var would match user expected
> behavior.
If you prefer, we could add a new :foo keyword to mean this. But
unconditionally changing what :pin means in these cases is out of the
question.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-06-10 12:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-06-04 6:26 bug#71356: use-package doesn't load org from elpa Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2024-06-04 21:44 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-06-05 6:40 ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2024-06-05 11:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-05 18:09 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-06-06 5:46 ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2024-06-06 6:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-06 6:11 ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2024-06-06 9:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-06 6:15 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-06-06 9:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-06 15:07 ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2024-06-06 15:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-07 8:05 ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2024-06-10 6:02 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-06-10 6:52 ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2024-06-10 8:17 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-06-10 12:18 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2024-06-10 15:40 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-06-10 16:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-10 16:51 ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2024-06-10 17:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-10 18:04 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-06-11 5:27 ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2024-06-11 7:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-11 7:53 ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2024-06-10 12:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
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