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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Jared Finder <jared@finder.org>
Cc: philipk@posteo.net, 68765@debbugs.gnu.org,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, juri@linkov.net
Subject: bug#68765: 30.0.50; Adding window-tool-bar package.
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2024 18:59:21 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86v82ok8bq.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b07663bf644b600f60605d09e43571f4@finder.org> (message from Jared Finder on Mon, 03 Jun 2024 22:24:55 -0700)

> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2024 22:24:55 -0700
> From: Jared Finder <jared@finder.org>
> Cc: juri@linkov.net, 68765@debbugs.gnu.org, philipk@posteo.net,
>  monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
> 
> > How about if we make the behavior simpler and more predictable:
> > 
> >   If a window's buffer has a non-nil value of window-toolbar-mode,
> >   show the window-specific tool bar regardless of what it is and
> >   whether it is the same as the default.
> > 
> > Why is this not good enough?
> 
> I want the window-specfic tool bar to never be shown if there are no 
> tool bar buttons, to conserve space.  However, if tab-line-format is non 
> nil, the tab line takes up space even if the resulting tab line is nil.  
> This can happen if one sets the default tool bar to nil, while keeping 
> the mode specific tool bars.

If the issue is not to show an empty tool bar, then this could be done
by a special test, without affecting behavior in other cases.  And
having the tool bar completely empty is such a rare and strange
situation that we could even leave it alone, under the assumption that
such a "tool bar" is simply a bug of sorts.

Complicating the overall behavior, let alone the difficulties of
explaining the behavior in documentation, on behalf of such rare and
very special cases is hardly a good tradeoff, won't you agree?

> I think there's also a useful case where the frame tool bar is used to 
> show a "global" tool bar with buttons that do not act on the current 
> buffer (in the current default tool bar: new file, open file, open 
> directory, all the modifier tool bar buttons) and the window tool bar is 
> used to show buttons that act on the buffer.  In this case, you don't 
> want the "global" tool bar to change based on frame's selected window.  
> The "tool-bar-always-show-default" variable I added as well as the logic 
> with ignoring the default value of tool-bar-map was to enable this use 
> case.  I treat the default value of tool-bar-map as "no tool bar buttons 
> for this window" since all those buttons are for the global tool bar.  
> It'd be fine to limit behavior to only when tool-bar-always-show-default 
> was set.

I'm not against tool-bar-always-show-default and its effect.  But
introducing that optional behavior doesn't require any particular
behavior from window-specific tool bars, it's almost an orthogonal
feature.

My conclusion from this is that the two considerations you provided
in favor of a much more complex behavior do not contradict my
suggestion.  The first consideration is about a very rare case, which
we could simply ignore (but if you feel strongly about  detecting
empty tool bars and not displaying them, I won't object), while the
second consideration  does not require the complicated behavior of
window-specific tool bars.

If I missed something, or if you still disagree, please tell what and
why.

Thanks.





  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-04 15:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-27 23:36 bug#68765: 30.0.50; Adding window-tool-bar package Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-02-10  8:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-10 17:25   ` Juri Linkov
2024-02-26 22:38     ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-26 15:34       ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-27  7:04         ` Juri Linkov
2024-05-02  6:03           ` Juri Linkov
2024-05-09  8:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-10  4:24               ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-11  4:33                 ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-12 16:34                   ` Juri Linkov
2024-05-14  4:14                     ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-14  6:01                       ` Juri Linkov
2024-05-18  9:50                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-19  3:55                           ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-19  6:43                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-20 17:14                         ` Juri Linkov
2024-05-21  2:25                           ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-21  6:12                             ` Juri Linkov
2024-05-18  9:45                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-18  9:48                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-19  3:58                         ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-19  6:48                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-23  4:19                             ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-23  6:52                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-25 15:49                                 ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-25 17:03                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-25 19:54                                     ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-26  9:44                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-26 16:20                                         ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-26 18:40                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-02  4:17                                             ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-06-02  5:21                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-02 15:57                                                 ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-06-02 16:46                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-19 14:41                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-05-20  3:25                             ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-20  6:39                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-05-20  9:19                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-05-21  4:18                                 ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-21 13:40                                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-22 16:16                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-11 20:51 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-27  3:02 ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-26 15:33   ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-13  7:43     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-27  8:25       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-27 10:00   ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-04-28  4:44     ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-06-04  5:24 ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-06-04 15:59   ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2024-06-05  4:22     ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-06-05 12:10       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-09  0:29         ` Jared Finder via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-06-09 12:23           ` Eli Zaretskii

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