* bug#56197: 28.1; lisp-fill-paragraph result regressed with Emacs 28
@ 2022-06-24 16:17 Maxim Cournoyer
2022-06-25 11:53 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Maxim Cournoyer @ 2022-06-24 16:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 56197
Hi,
After updating from Emacs 27 to Emacs 28 via GNU Guix, I noticed the
following change in behavior while attempting to indent a blob of text
in a Guix package definition (Scheme source):
;; Emacs 27
(description "IBus-Anthy is an engine for the input bus \"IBus\"). It
adds the Anthy Japanese language input method to IBus. Because most graphical
applications allow text input via IBus, installing this package will enable
Japanese language input in most graphical applications.")
;; Emacs 28
(description "IBus-Anthy is an engine for the input bus \"IBus\"). It adds the Anthy
Japanese language input method to IBus. Because most graphical applications
allow text input via IBus, installing this package will enable Japanese
language input in most graphical applications.")
I traced it down to commit 9bf367e1848:
Improve filling of Emacs Lisp doc strings
* lisp/emacs-lisp/lisp-mode.el (lisp-fill-paragraph): When filling
a Lisp string, try to avoid filling bits that follow it
(bug#28937).
Simply commenting out the newly added block, evaluating the defun and
running it on my example reverts to the previous correct behavior.
Thanks,
Maxim
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In GNU Emacs 28.1 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.30, cairo version 1.16.0)
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101002
System Description: Guix System
Configured using:
'configure
CONFIG_SHELL=/gnu/store/4y5m9lb8k3qkb1y9m02sw9w9a6hacd16-bash-minimal-5.1.8/bin/bash
SHELL=/gnu/store/4y5m9lb8k3qkb1y9m02sw9w9a6hacd16-bash-minimal-5.1.8/bin/bash
--prefix=/gnu/store/q6x17s6zcgv52sdz3gh69b7g0d9712z8-emacs-28.1
--enable-fast-install --with-modules --with-cairo
--disable-build-details'
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JSON LIBOTF LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER
PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X11 XDBE XIM XPM
GTK3 ZLIB
Important settings:
value of $EMACSLOADPATH: /home/maxim/.guix-profile/share/emacs/site-lisp:/gnu/store/q6x17s6zcgv52sdz3gh69b7g0d9712z8-emacs-28.1/share/emacs/28.1/lisp
value of $LANG: en_US.utf8
value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus
locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
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emms-playing-time-display-mode: t
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ws-butler-global-mode: t
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company-mode: t
electric-pair-mode: t
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electric-indent-mode: t
mouse-wheel-mode: t
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file-name-shadow-mode: t
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font-lock-mode: t
blink-cursor-mode: t
auto-composition-mode: t
auto-encryption-mode: t
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* bug#56197: 28.1; lisp-fill-paragraph result regressed with Emacs 28
2022-06-24 16:17 bug#56197: 28.1; lisp-fill-paragraph result regressed with Emacs 28 Maxim Cournoyer
@ 2022-06-25 11:53 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-06-25 12:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-27 1:53 ` Maxim Cournoyer
0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2022-06-25 11:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Maxim Cournoyer; +Cc: 56197
Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com> writes:
> ;; Emacs 28
> (description "IBus-Anthy is an engine for the input bus \"IBus\"). It adds the Anthy
> Japanese language input method to IBus. Because most graphical applications
> allow text input via IBus, installing this package will enable Japanese
> language input in most graphical applications.")
[...]
> Simply commenting out the newly added block, evaluating the defun and
> running it on my example reverts to the previous correct behavior.
I'm not sure the previous behaviour was any more correct. It's now
filling that string as if it, well, is a string, so that if you insert
it somewhere, the lines have similar lengths. The previous behaviour
was to fill "what you see in the buffer", which is wrong in most
contexts.
So I don't know. Anybody have an opinion?
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#56197: 28.1; lisp-fill-paragraph result regressed with Emacs 28
2022-06-25 11:53 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2022-06-25 12:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-25 12:45 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-06-27 1:53 ` Maxim Cournoyer
1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2022-06-25 12:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 56197, maxim.cournoyer
> Cc: 56197@debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2022 13:53:44 +0200
>
> Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > ;; Emacs 28
> > (description "IBus-Anthy is an engine for the input bus \"IBus\"). It adds the Anthy
> > Japanese language input method to IBus. Because most graphical applications
> > allow text input via IBus, installing this package will enable Japanese
> > language input in most graphical applications.")
>
> [...]
>
> > Simply commenting out the newly added block, evaluating the defun and
> > running it on my example reverts to the previous correct behavior.
>
> I'm not sure the previous behaviour was any more correct. It's now
> filling that string as if it, well, is a string, so that if you insert
> it somewhere, the lines have similar lengths. The previous behaviour
> was to fill "what you see in the buffer", which is wrong in most
> contexts.
>
> So I don't know. Anybody have an opinion?
I actually don't understand what kind of "Lisp code" is the above
snippet. It doesn't look to me as valid Lisp code. So there's no
criteria for judging the correctness here, it seems.
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* bug#56197: 28.1; lisp-fill-paragraph result regressed with Emacs 28
2022-06-25 12:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2022-06-25 12:45 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-06-25 12:48 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2022-06-25 12:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 56197, maxim.cournoyer
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> I actually don't understand what kind of "Lisp code" is the above
> snippet. It doesn't look to me as valid Lisp code. So there's no
> criteria for judging the correctness here, it seems.
It's just (foo "... very long multiline string"). I was also confused,
because the string looked very odd -- it has a ) inside the string, but
no (, but that's not really relevant.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#56197: 28.1; lisp-fill-paragraph result regressed with Emacs 28
2022-06-25 12:45 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2022-06-25 12:48 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-06-25 13:00 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2022-06-25 12:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 56197, maxim.cournoyer
Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> It's just (foo "... very long multiline string"). I was also confused,
> because the string looked very odd -- it has a ) inside the string, but
> no (, but that's not really relevant.
Oh, hang on -- there definitely is a bug here. Here's a better test case:
(foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot "This is a very long line This is a very long line This is a very long line This is a very long line This is a very long line.
And another long line.")
`M-q' in the first line does nothing, and it should. I'll have a look.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#56197: 28.1; lisp-fill-paragraph result regressed with Emacs 28
2022-06-25 12:48 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2022-06-25 13:00 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-06-29 18:03 ` Stefan Kangas
0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2022-06-25 13:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 56197, maxim.cournoyer
Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> `M-q' in the first line does nothing, and it should. I'll have a look.
I've now fixed that, but the question still remains -- should
(foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot "This is a very long line This is a very long line This is a very long line This")
be filled as
(foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot "This is a very long line This is a very long line This is a very
long line This")
(i.e., fill the string using fill-column, or
(foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot "This is a
very long line This is a very long line This is a very long line This")
(i.e., fill the text as is in the buffer).
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#56197: 28.1; lisp-fill-paragraph result regressed with Emacs 28
2022-06-25 11:53 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-06-25 12:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2022-06-27 1:53 ` Maxim Cournoyer
1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Maxim Cournoyer @ 2022-06-27 1:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 56197
Hello,
Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> ;; Emacs 28
>> (description "IBus-Anthy is an engine for the input bus \"IBus\"). It adds the Anthy
>> Japanese language input method to IBus. Because most graphical applications
>> allow text input via IBus, installing this package will enable Japanese
>> language input in most graphical applications.")
>
> [...]
>
>> Simply commenting out the newly added block, evaluating the defun and
>> running it on my example reverts to the previous correct behavior.
>
> I'm not sure the previous behaviour was any more correct. It's now
> filling that string as if it, well, is a string, so that if you insert
> it somewhere, the lines have similar lengths. The previous behaviour
> was to fill "what you see in the buffer", which is wrong in most
> contexts.
>
> So I don't know. Anybody have an opinion?
Apologies if my previous example lacked too much context and confused
more than helped. Here's another example, where I just experienced the
problem after revamping the GNU Guix 'font-abattis-cantarrel' package
definition:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(define-public font-abattis-cantarell
(package
(name "font-abattis-cantarell")
(version "0.303")
(source
(origin
(method git-fetch)
(uri (git-reference
(url "https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/cantarell-fonts")
(commit (string-append "v" version))))
(file-name (git-file-name name version))
(sha256
(base32
"1d1ay0fdqchk0wa5yqxis2c98imvzsbbd2kjv0x8sk4fm419847b"))))
(build-system meson-build-system)
(arguments
(list #:configure-flags #~(list "-Dbuildstatics=true")))
(native-inputs
(list gettext-minimal
psautohint
python
python-cffsubr
python-fontmath
python-statmake
python-ufo2ft))
(home-page "https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/CantarellFonts")
(synopsis "Cantarell sans-serif typeface")
(description "The Cantarell font family is a contemporary Humanist sans-serif designed for
on-screen reading. It is used by GNOME@tie{}3. This package contains both
the non-variable as well as the variable versions of the font.")
(license license:silofl1.1)))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
This is a Scheme sexp extracted from the (gnu packages fonts) Guile
module. Hitting `lisp-fill-paragraph' (M-q) causes the above
indentation, where the first line of the description extends past the
`fill-column' value.
I hope that helps,
Thanks!
Maxim
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* bug#56197: 28.1; lisp-fill-paragraph result regressed with Emacs 28
2022-06-25 13:00 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2022-06-29 18:03 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-06-30 9:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2024-12-25 20:15 ` Felix Lechner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Kangas @ 2022-06-29 18:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, 56197, maxim.cournoyer
Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> I've now fixed that, but the question still remains -- should
>
> (foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot "This is a very long line This is a very long line This is a very long line This")
>
> be filled as
>
> (foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot "This is a very long line This is a very long line This is a very
> long line This")
>
> (i.e., fill the string using fill-column, or
>
> (foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot-foo-bar-zot "This is a
> very long line This is a very long line This is a very long line This")
>
> (i.e., fill the text as is in the buffer).
The former sounds more useful, IMO. I don't want to mess up my strings
just to have pretty source code; I can make such adjustments manually
when I need to.
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* bug#56197: 28.1; lisp-fill-paragraph result regressed with Emacs 28
2022-06-29 18:03 ` Stefan Kangas
@ 2022-06-30 9:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-06-30 9:33 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-06-30 11:31 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2024-12-25 20:15 ` Felix Lechner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2022-06-30 9:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Kangas; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, 56197, maxim.cournoyer
Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> writes:
> The former sounds more useful, IMO. I don't want to mess up my strings
> just to have pretty source code; I can make such adjustments manually
> when I need to.
So the votes are in, and I guess we'll keep the current behaviour in
Emacs 29, and I'm therefore closing this bug report.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#56197: 28.1; lisp-fill-paragraph result regressed with Emacs 28
2022-06-30 9:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2022-06-30 9:33 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2024-12-26 15:16 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-06-30 11:31 ` Maxim Cournoyer
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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2022-06-30 9:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Kangas; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, 56197, maxim.cournoyer
Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> So the votes are in, and I guess we'll keep the current behaviour in
> Emacs 29, and I'm therefore closing this bug report.
Or -- perhaps it should be backported to Emacs 28 -- but not right now,
since the release is impending. So I'll keep this open until after
Emacs 28.2, I think.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#56197: 28.1; lisp-fill-paragraph result regressed with Emacs 28
2022-06-30 9:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-06-30 9:33 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2022-06-30 11:31 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-07-01 9:05 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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From: Maxim Cournoyer @ 2022-06-30 11:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen, Stefan Kangas; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, 56197
On June 30, 2022 5:32:08 AM EDT, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
>Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> writes:
>
>> The former sounds more useful, IMO. I don't want to mess up my strings
>> just to have pretty source code; I can make such adjustments manually
>> when I need to.
>
>So the votes are in, and I guess we'll keep the current behaviour in
>Emacs 29, and I'm therefore closing this bug report.
>
Just to make sure, this means the paragraph filling behavior seen in the examples I shared would be unchanged, and different from that in Emacs 27 and earlier, correct?
To me, the previous behavior was useful; is there a way to configure Emacs to behave that way with Emacs 28?
Thank you!
Maxim
Hi,
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* bug#56197: 28.1; lisp-fill-paragraph result regressed with Emacs 28
2022-06-30 11:31 ` Maxim Cournoyer
@ 2022-07-01 9:05 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2022-07-01 9:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Maxim Cournoyer; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, Stefan Kangas, 56197
Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com> writes:
> Just to make sure, this means the paragraph filling behavior seen in
> the examples I shared would be unchanged, and different from that in
> Emacs 27 and earlier, correct?
Yup.
> To me, the previous behavior was useful; is there a way to configure
> Emacs to behave that way with Emacs 28?
I guess you can set fill-paragraph-function to a function that does what
you want?
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#56197: 28.1; lisp-fill-paragraph result regressed with Emacs 28
2022-06-29 18:03 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-06-30 9:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2024-12-25 20:15 ` Felix Lechner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-12-26 6:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
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From: Felix Lechner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2024-12-25 20:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 56197; +Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen, Eli Zaretskii, Stefan Kangas, Maxim Cournoyer
Hi everyone,
> fill the string using fill-column, or [...] fill the text as is in the
> buffer
> It's now filling that string as if it, well, is a string, so that if
> you insert it somewhere, the lines have similar lengths. The previous
> behaviour was to fill "what you see in the buffer"
> The former sounds more useful, IMO. I don't want to mess up my strings
> just to have pretty source code
Filling strings in code would be useful, but isn't that a separate,
don't-break-my-strings feature?
Historically, the point of text justification is to make text fit on a
screen. For example, the documentation for fill-region refers to
columns, which are features of buffers:
Column beyond which automatic line-wrapping should happen.
Auto-fill-mode is consistent:
inserting a space at a column beyond current-fill-column
automatically breaks the line
In a grand sweep, the manual explains what needs to fit where:
“Filling” text means breaking it up into lines that fit a specified
width.
Section 26.6.2 ("Explicit Fill Commands") is even more, well, explicit:
The command ‘M-q’ (‘fill-paragraph’) “fills” the current paragraph.
It redistributes the line breaks within the paragraph, and deletes
any excess space and tab characters occurring within the paragraph,
in such a way that the lines end up fitting within a certain maximum
width.
How text shows on a screen is clearly a central feature. The manual
continues:
The maximum line width for filling is specified by the buffer-local
variable ‘fill-column’. The default value (*note Locals::) is 70.
The easiest way to set ‘fill-column’ in the current buffer is to use
the command ‘C-x f’ (‘set-fill-column’). [...] Note that, by its
very nature, ‘fill-column’ is measured in column units; the actual
position of that column on a graphical display depends on the font
being used. In particular, using variable-pitch fonts will cause
the ‘fill-column’ occupy different horizontal positions on display
in different lines.
In my view, the string interpretation calls for a different, though
related feature.
Maybe there could be (setq fill-strings-instead-of-text t) ? Thanks!
Kind regards
Felix
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* bug#56197: 28.1; lisp-fill-paragraph result regressed with Emacs 28
2024-12-25 20:15 ` Felix Lechner via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
@ 2024-12-26 6:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
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From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2024-12-26 6:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Felix Lechner; +Cc: larsi, 56197, maxim.cournoyer, stefankangas
> From: Felix Lechner <felix.lechner@lease-up.com>
> Cc: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com>, Stefan Kangas
> <stefankangas@gmail.com>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Lars Ingebrigtsen
> <larsi@gnus.org>
> Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2024 12:15:44 -0800
>
> > fill the string using fill-column, or [...] fill the text as is in the
> > buffer
>
> > It's now filling that string as if it, well, is a string, so that if
> > you insert it somewhere, the lines have similar lengths. The previous
> > behaviour was to fill "what you see in the buffer"
>
> > The former sounds more useful, IMO. I don't want to mess up my strings
> > just to have pretty source code
>
> Filling strings in code would be useful, but isn't that a separate,
> don't-break-my-strings feature?
Not necessarily. I frequently fill stuff in my code, and don't want
to use a separate command if the region I fill includes strings (or
comments, or something other that needs special filling behavior).
> Historically, the point of text justification is to make text fit on a
> screen. For example, the documentation for fill-region refers to
> columns, which are features of buffers:
>
> Column beyond which automatic line-wrapping should happen.
>
> Auto-fill-mode is consistent:
>
> inserting a space at a column beyond current-fill-column
> automatically breaks the line
>
> In a grand sweep, the manual explains what needs to fit where:
>
> “Filling” text means breaking it up into lines that fit a specified
> width.
>
> Section 26.6.2 ("Explicit Fill Commands") is even more, well, explicit:
>
> The command ‘M-q’ (‘fill-paragraph’) “fills” the current paragraph.
> It redistributes the line breaks within the paragraph, and deletes
> any excess space and tab characters occurring within the paragraph,
> in such a way that the lines end up fitting within a certain maximum
> width.
>
> How text shows on a screen is clearly a central feature. The manual
> continues:
>
> The maximum line width for filling is specified by the buffer-local
> variable ‘fill-column’. The default value (*note Locals::) is 70.
> The easiest way to set ‘fill-column’ in the current buffer is to use
> the command ‘C-x f’ (‘set-fill-column’). [...] Note that, by its
> very nature, ‘fill-column’ is measured in column units; the actual
> position of that column on a graphical display depends on the font
> being used. In particular, using variable-pitch fonts will cause
> the ‘fill-column’ occupy different horizontal positions on display
> in different lines.
>
> In my view, the string interpretation calls for a different, though
> related feature.
You are quoting text which talks about the _default_ filling. The
default filling is tailored to "uniform" text, i.e. really to Text
mode and its descendants.
However, Emacs lets major modes customize filling as appropriate for
the mode, by defining mode-specific filling functions. Which is what
happens in this case: lisp-mode.el defines a fill-paragraph function
that is specific to Lisp modes. It is completely legitimate for such
mode-specific functions to special-case strings inside code and do
something special about that.
So I don't see how what we do now is against the spirit of filling.
(Btw, I think it's high time we closed that bug, since Emacs 28.2 was
released long ago.)
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* bug#56197: 28.1; lisp-fill-paragraph result regressed with Emacs 28
2022-06-30 9:33 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2024-12-26 15:16 ` Stefan Kangas
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From: Stefan Kangas @ 2024-12-26 15:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, maxim.cournoyer, 56197-done
Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
>
>> So the votes are in, and I guess we'll keep the current behaviour in
>> Emacs 29, and I'm therefore closing this bug report.
>
> Or -- perhaps it should be backported to Emacs 28 -- but not right now,
> since the release is impending. So I'll keep this open until after
> Emacs 28.2, I think.
Emacs 28 was released on 2022-04-04, so I'm closing this bug now.
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