From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#73641: 30.0.90; Math in EWW/shr Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 14:34:07 +0300 Message-ID: <86r08o19ao.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87ttdqmywv.fsf@gmail.com> <8634lawp14.fsf@gnu.org> <87bjzsa28z.fsf@gmail.com> <8634l42yiu.fsf@gnu.org> <87ldyw5j2x.fsf@gmail.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22260"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 73641@debbugs.gnu.org To: Augusto Stoffel Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 10 13:35:12 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1syrRn-0005cq-Qy for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2024 13:35:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1syrRV-0000gG-7u; Thu, 10 Oct 2024 07:34:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1syrRT-0000fu-ED for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2024 07:34:51 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1syrRT-0007E2-14 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2024 07:34:51 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=debbugs.gnu.org; s=debbugs-gnu-org; h=References:In-Reply-To:From:Date:To:Subject; bh=Ldn4ZMk197UfY3I8N1L6x7T8sxlAYUDsKvPUAdVfrb4=; b=VDVGoN2t/zReyh5Z7dkrkTgWHMc87wb9GHw6SrQ/j4Xb09cubXln5dLYXBfjJjZM6dbzf6loLA7ejbzV88UIig6piBBRmdbngTuogSeJdcUiUbVUxfB+fM5zaMmBU6LwxQnBVfySH4cyar/O1tVmPeDg6cu8gKcfda0UKmOq6Yvkn+MsMDHtGQ9F17ESZl/DB2isceEc4zEOYO3Ygws+24J5OTtO0sLp4Tg9il8HGICiOB7+RhH9cZxDorq2wiKI36NtHHBYP4Db2X3Rw2N+uFNTS0vAG4XCbbhqL4mOV1Fkwpniy3rR+ZXZkVdxhXLy2uronyzv50NyQU8oK35ojA==; Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1syrRe-00045x-6r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2024 07:35:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 11:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 73641 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 73641-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B73641.172856007115688 (code B ref 73641); Thu, 10 Oct 2024 11:35:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 73641) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Oct 2024 11:34:31 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58886 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1syrR8-00044x-JE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2024 07:34:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55746) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1syrR6-00044i-1w for 73641@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2024 07:34:29 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1syrQp-00072p-3i; Thu, 10 Oct 2024 07:34:11 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Ldn4ZMk197UfY3I8N1L6x7T8sxlAYUDsKvPUAdVfrb4=; b=ZYT1yWXlks72 AWNRWtDxqjtR8CLjZ3UuUI1Jap522n78miFm2uHHDjGFzUpCg63OfbxzwU4VRJH4p+9XAQMFfvjBp wk7Mx77feQcx80UNi+pzpNwVQ0ftMYWxUS6Inoe0DC9CPX2ztaav3zX9gjctk4IU2M3i9jWcjUbRk 718PkgEGfhdUMn9SHagGiuVh7g3nLxI0PsXJa/9WknWo+1l8kIlGxpCVNg+HT9DU9DreAzC6ghFWT wOZCoDvUu/fWXZu+tvCnaAN3gLk0qGClfgBg8CAadUht37dXQw+aP70pBQ4T2/gqV9EhCdH9N52l3 NY1apcTqKSBiml5LZH0P0w==; In-Reply-To: <87ldyw5j2x.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Augusto Stoffel on Thu, 10 Oct 2024 12:49:10 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:293278 Archived-At: > From: Augusto Stoffel > Cc: 73641@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 12:49:10 +0200 > > On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 at 10:43, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > I don't think I understand what you are proposing. What is the > > "baseline" implementation for math tags? what will it entail and what > > will it allow/enable? > > I refer precisely to the code from the bug's first message, which also > has an example of the result. Ah, okay. That's fine, but please add some comment there that we fall back to the text variant because we don't (yet) know how to do better. > > The basic question is what these produce as output, and how can Emacs > > display what they produce? The best alternative for Emacs is to have > > a tool that can generate characters, which could then be rendered > > using a suitable font. > > MathJax is this tool. It can render formulas as "HTML with complicated > styling" to resize and move around characters and symbols. I don't > think Emacs could display such things in general. Do you know what is missing for us to be able to display that? > > The (distant) second best is a tool that generates an image. > > I think an image with readable text beneath it is quite alright. Display of inline images in Emacs has quite a few limitations that make it less desirable for this purpose, IMO. Thanks.