From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jules Tamagnan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23609: 25.0.92; Python eldoc freeze Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 10:52:43 -0400 Message-ID: <86pos7o8n8.fsf@gmail.com> References: <867fejo4g2.fsf@gmail.com> <57454201.10607@easy-emacs.de> <86bn3umahs.fsf@gmail.com> <5745C5D9.50701@easy-emacs.de> <861t4orf3h.fsf@gmail.com> <834m9k3hmz.fsf@gnu.org> <83wpmg229w.fsf@gnu.org> <86mvncpwso.fsf@gmail.com> <83d1o726si.fsf@gnu.org> <83twhjzhow.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1464360817 22555 80.91.229.3 (27 May 2016 14:53:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 14:53:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 23609@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 27 16:53:22 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1b6J8a-0001CC-K1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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I explained why I think it > shouldn't block the release; if you have counter-arguments, let's > talk. > > Thanks. I didn't, but I do think that something should be done before the release. If somebody opens up emacs for the first time in 25.1 and decides to try using python and then it doesn't work and keeps freezing, I don't think many people would be willing to debug their issue in a completely different environment than what they're used to when they could simply use a different editor that works out of the box. Emacs is already seen as not very user friendly compared to other (inferior) editors such as atom and sublime and If we have such a glaring bug in one of the most popular language modes then that reflects badly on emacs as a whole. I'll try and fix this bug suitably beforehand because I do think that it should be blocking. Why was global-eldoc mode turned on by default anyways? thanks