From: Andy Moreton <andrewjmoreton@gmail.com>
To: 23179@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#23179: 25.0.92; Restore `M-,' to continue etags search
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 09:46:38 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <86k2kdep75.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABr8ebb_=-1X-rAcaYEKFOY72K59hkqD_YJJgN7-RfO9j4LAhw@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon 04 Apr 2016, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> From: Andy Moreton <andrewjmoreton@gmail.com>
>> Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2016 21:15:01 +0100
>>
>> Why should this extra UI appear ?
>
> Because it is an integral part of the feature.
>
>> Emacs users who are accustomed to the existing facilities will find
>> it annoying, and start filing bug reports about an obvious
>> regression.
>
> So you are saying that any new features that present a UI never used
> before is a bug?
Of course not. The existing etags based facilities allow search for a
tag and then subsequent matches without showing any additional windows.
The new xref based stuff should keep this workflow.
>> By all means add new facilites with xref, but without loss of existing
>> keybindings that many people have ingrained into muscle memory.
>
> That's impossible, and you know it. Not with features that are
> explicitly meant to replace the old ones.
Why ever not ? The interface stays the same, with a replacement
implementation. If that is not possible then the new design need to be
reworked.
> Anyway, all these opinions should have been brought up many moons ago,
> when these features were added to the development sources, and perhaps
> even earlier, when their design and implementation was discussed here.
> Coming up now, after so much efforts was invested in improving this
> and documenting it, it's really too late, unless we want to delay the
> release of Emacs 25.1 by another year or so. If you don't like some
> aspects of this feature, the constructive way forward is to submit
> patches.
New features are fine, as long as the existing keybindings are retained
with similar functionality. M-, should continue to function as it did
for etags, and the new xref functionality should be moved to a different
binding. Changing long-standing bindings is a disservice to users.
AndyM
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Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-04-01 8:55 bug#23179: 25.0.92; Restore `M-,' to continue etags search Anders Lindgren
2016-04-01 9:02 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-01 10:35 ` Anders Lindgren
2016-04-01 11:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-01 23:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-02 6:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-02 23:39 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-03 15:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-03 17:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-03 17:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-03 18:32 ` Anders Lindgren
2016-04-03 18:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-03 18:49 ` Anders Lindgren
2016-04-03 18:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-03 19:11 ` Anders Lindgren
2016-04-03 19:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-03 20:15 ` Andy Moreton
2016-04-04 2:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-04 8:46 ` Andy Moreton [this message]
2016-04-04 14:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-03 20:30 ` Anders Lindgren
2016-04-04 2:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-04 4:22 ` Anders Lindgren
2016-04-04 15:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-04 16:53 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-05 15:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-05 15:27 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-05 15:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-05 16:00 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-05 16:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-05 17:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-05 18:10 ` John Wiegley
2016-04-05 18:12 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-05 19:32 ` John Wiegley
2016-04-05 20:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-06 0:55 ` John Wiegley
2016-04-06 10:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-05 19:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-05 20:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-08 8:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-08 8:56 ` Anders Lindgren
2016-04-08 9:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-08 10:28 ` Anders Lindgren
2016-04-08 10:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-08 10:38 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-08 10:53 ` Anders Lindgren
2016-04-08 13:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-09 7:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-03 19:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-03 20:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-03 22:44 ` John Wiegley
2016-04-03 23:00 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-04 8:43 ` Anders Lindgren
2016-04-04 10:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-04 16:58 ` Anders Lindgren
2016-04-04 17:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-04 17:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-04 20:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-04 17:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-05 5:43 ` Anders Lindgren
2016-04-05 12:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-05 14:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-05 15:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-05 15:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-04 8:54 ` Anders Lindgren
2016-04-04 10:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-04 15:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-04 15:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-01 23:48 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-01 6:40 ` pklammer
2019-04-01 9:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-02 14:47 ` pklammer
2019-04-02 15:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-02 15:35 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-06 21:12 ` Juri Linkov
2019-04-07 0:38 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-07 20:27 ` Juri Linkov
2019-04-07 23:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-08 19:55 ` Juri Linkov
2019-04-08 23:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-11 20:40 ` Juri Linkov
2019-04-12 1:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-13 21:57 ` Juri Linkov
2019-04-14 12:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-14 19:55 ` Juri Linkov
2019-04-14 21:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-24 20:33 ` Juri Linkov
2019-04-24 23:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-04-29 19:32 ` Juri Linkov
2016-04-01 9:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-01 10:13 ` Anders Lindgren
2016-04-01 10:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-02 19:46 ` Anders Lindgren
2016-04-02 19:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-02 21:42 ` John Wiegley
2016-04-02 22:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-03 17:31 ` John Wiegley
2016-04-03 17:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-03 18:04 ` John Wiegley
2016-04-03 18:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-04 2:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-03 18:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-02 22:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-04 8:21 ` Anders Lindgren
2016-04-04 11:00 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-08-24 18:18 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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