From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#70036: a fix that Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2024 20:53:41 +0300 Message-ID: <86jzkud0be.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86y19ad61t.fsf@gnu.org> <43de4151-ab68-4214-8691-33f3554feba1@email.android.com> <86r0f2d46x.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8771"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: felician.nemeth@gmail.com, 70036@debbugs.gnu.org, theo@thornhill.no To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_?= =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=A1vora?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 18 19:55:17 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rxVyf-000212-3O for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 18 Apr 2024 19:55:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rxVyO-0000AV-FL; Thu, 18 Apr 2024 13:55:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rxVyE-0008Pj-Gy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Apr 2024 13:54:51 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rxVyD-00083q-MF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Apr 2024 13:54:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rxVyQ-0008Sb-PP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Apr 2024 13:55:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2024 17:55:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 70036 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 70036-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B70036.171346285032004 (code B ref 70036); Thu, 18 Apr 2024 17:55:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 70036) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Apr 2024 17:54:10 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53729 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rxVxZ-0008K1-2a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Apr 2024 13:54:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56484) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rxVxT-0008Hw-6V for 70036@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Apr 2024 13:54:07 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rxVx9-0007xa-PA; Thu, 18 Apr 2024 13:53:43 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=eh74/ZRCiOVG+XQzBXLJYrlzWNwyTXVWwpf9xnXfK20=; b=Rg4AkjD12aCZM6j9JIRr HZQv4eFM/LZEj02PEeiE0NjI2ka+k2sQx3dhd1OKZ3IjJd/f5EUjQ0tIRuVLjv6RlYGMDePxvYzFi Y0y32ANd7UxHBvNrJYfxfEtwgxuzwRaeoG57xVQ1eA6srlklDpVsFRkI1D1yYIEdCRoGheCxVOUqb y/WXwHndyGx1wWvyqkCmUmZn9I3O4BT5lafmjt0WoKIQkF57VRZ/So7X0CJrsuUDGE08iFucDg2ul obSJw+i+iYGSxV2R1OPNLWCuraWB+taTHnZxACLq1bbyQgM4C9nLmdkHGONWd6vUaeBSC0RwwtU1x iWdFHT81cQkrCg==; In-Reply-To: (message from =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_?= =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=A1vora?= on Thu, 18 Apr 2024 18:22:09 +0100) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:283599 Archived-At: > From: João Távora > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2024 18:22:09 +0100 > Cc: theo@thornhill.no, felician.nemeth@gmail.com, 70036@debbugs.gnu.org > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 5:30 PM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > > > That's unfortunate. > > > > > > For you maybe. > > > > For me also. > > > > And please try to be kinder. Theo might have made a mistake (or not), > > but he is still a valued contributor, so please treat him with respect > > he deserves. > > I'm not being unkind at all. I suggest to get an objective opinion of that from an uninvolved party. > So let's skip the morals. No, let's not. Let's try being kind and cooperative and respectful to the work of others, exactly like you expect us to respect you and yours. > I've told you I'm invested in fixing Theo's performance problems, > but I must learn more about them obviously. But I'm not going to > keep a regression in just to be nice to people. If -- and it's stil an "if" -- it was a regression, it was there for quite some time, so nothing serious would have happened if we'd leave it there for a few more hours or days. > I'm sure Theo can understand that. He obviously felt hurt, so "understand" is not an appropriate word here. > He's done lots of useful contributions and will do more, but this > one was a mistake. We shall see. For now, I reserve my judgment until we see measurements.