From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Leake Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21953: Eliminate warnings in the emacs-25 release branch Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 11:20:54 -0600 Message-ID: <86fv017vnt.fsf@stephe-leake.org> References: <081tbn5g02.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447953745 25573 80.91.229.3 (19 Nov 2015 17:22:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:22:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Richard Stallman , 21953@debbugs.gnu.org To: John Wiegley Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 19 18:22:13 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzSuR-0000ZQ-S8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 18:22:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43155 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzSuR-0004w9-6Q for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:22:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43078) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzSuN-0004vt-Bt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:22:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzSuI-0003Z3-CA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:22:07 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:55429) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzSuI-0003Yz-8Z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:22:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzSuH-0004mE-Oo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:22:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stephen Leake Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:22:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21953 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21953-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21953.144795366718218 (code B ref 21953); Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:22:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21953) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Nov 2015 17:21:07 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45137 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzStO-0004jl-4j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:21:06 -0500 Original-Received: from gproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com ([67.222.39.168]:60093) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzStL-0004jT-MC for 21953@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:21:04 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 15361 invoked by uid 0); 19 Nov 2015 17:21:00 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw2) (10.0.90.83) by gproxy6.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2015 17:21:00 -0000 Original-Received: from host114.hostmonster.com ([74.220.207.114]) by cmgw2 with id jVLw1r0062UdiVW01VLzgN; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 10:20:59 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Jv9i8qIC c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=CQdxDb2CKd3SRg4I0/XZPQ==:117 a=CQdxDb2CKd3SRg4I0/XZPQ==:17 a=DsvgjBjRAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=9i_RQKNPAAAA:8 a=hEr_IkYJT6EA:10 a=x_XPkuGwIRMA:10 a=qtqOOiqGOCEA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=mDV3o1hIAAAA:8 a=yEc9D81RAaYXDURFxVsA:9 a=cop6ZU7VItsDM-S2:21 a=A_65h6BGP6kHPdPz:21 Original-Received: from [76.218.37.33] (port=61997 helo=TAKVER2) by host114.hostmonster.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzStF-0003DJ-Iq; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 10:20:57 -0700 In-Reply-To: (John Wiegley's message of "Wed, 18 Nov 2015 18:06:34 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (windows-nt) X-Identified-User: {2442:host114.hostmonster.com:stephele:stephe-leake.org} {sentby:smtp auth 76.218.37.33 authed with stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org} X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:108916 Archived-At: John Wiegley writes: >>>>>> Glenn Morris writes: > >> Sorry, but I have to say that I think this goal is firstly unachievable, and >> secondly won't make the release any better. In fact probably the opposite, >> by distracting from more important issues. > > I've never worked on a project where getting to warning free was not both > achievable, and a good idea. > > For example, at one point the Borland C++ compiler had over 4,000 warnings. As > such, every one of them was completely ignored. Later on, after much effort, > we reduced that number to zero. While doing so, we discovered that a crash bug > we'd been working for _days_ was loudly pointed out to us by the compiler in > that same set of warnings. Had the warnings been "real" to us, it would have > saved days of developer time, on several occasions. It's worth the effort. > > Having enough warnings that they no longer warn of anything is pretty much the > same as turning them off. That's why I don't accept the "it's too hard" > argument. If it adds another month or two to our release cycle, so be it. > Emacs 25.1 is the time to get them under control. +10 -- -- Stephe