From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#40774: Error messages shouldn't be hidden when the user is idle Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:54:53 +0200 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <86fsquucte.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <87v9lpluez.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <874koxwi1t.fsf@gnus.org> <86pmqa51cz.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87bl1uojxd.fsf@gnus.org> <86czmakaem.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87tufmnuz6.fsf@gnus.org> <86bl1uyt8f.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87r1aocf5p.fsf@gnus.org> <83czm7xozh.fsf@gnu.org> <86wnkerjgt.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <8335n2x3w5.fsf@gnu.org> <865yrtiqb6.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83wnk9mwmx.fsf@gnu.org> <86v8ztfuga.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <831r2gmox3.fsf@gnu.org> <86sfuwnxtv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83o85kl2aq.fsf@gnu.org> <86ee6f4mqe.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83ee6fl3y3.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28877"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: 40774@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, ndame@protonmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 14 22:11:20 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mxF4x-0007Fx-Ta for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 22:11:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33248 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxF4w-0000KB-KS for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 16:11:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50598) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxF4h-0000Jc-8X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 16:11:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:48222) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mxF4g-0001Au-Vu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 16:11:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mxF4g-0007vg-S7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 16:11:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 21:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 40774 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 40774-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B40774.163951626030451 (code B ref 40774); Tue, 14 Dec 2021 21:11:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 40774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Dec 2021 21:11:00 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59764 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mxF4d-0007v4-Qg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 16:11:00 -0500 Original-Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]:51201) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mxF4b-0007uW-Jh for 40774@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 16:10:57 -0500 Original-Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 19D13E0005; Tue, 14 Dec 2021 21:10:49 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83ee6fl3y3.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 14 Dec 2021 15:19:00 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:222398 Archived-At: >> > This whole discussion started from a request to be able to accumulate >> > messages in the echo-area so that the user who is away could see them >> > all when he/she comes back from whatever took him/her away. There >> > could be quite a lot of messages accumulated during that period, and >> > the request was to leave them all on display. For which you proposed >> > to use clear-message-function in a way that doesn't actually clear >> > them. >> > >> > Is the above an accurate description and summary of what is being >> > proposed here? If so, is it now clear what kind of job I think >> > display of echo-area messages was never designed to support? >> >> Thanks for explanation, now it's clear where is the misunderstanding. >> >> Actually, the patch for clear-message-function here is unrelated >> to the feature that uses set-message-function to accumulate messages >> and doesn't use clear-message-function. >> >> The feature here is intended for users who want to always leave >> the last displayed message in the echo-area, and never clear it. >> It will be possible even to do this conditionally. > > But if messages aren't cleared, they will accumulate, and then we get > to the problems I described. So it is not "unrelated", really. When the message is not cleared, it will be displayed until another message will replace it. This is unrelated to multi-message feature. > In any case, if this feature is unrelated, why do you want to have it > on the release branch? This is another misunderstanding. I didn't intend to have this on the release branch. But since you mentioned it, why not? Maybe better to apply the patch for clear-message-function on the release branch?