From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#71708: Terminology inconsistencies (1) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 08:11:21 +0300 Message-ID: <86frt4fdl2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86plsaje5h.fsf@gnu.org> <5573cde6-8345-43d2-aa96-c980347ea619@gmail.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39534"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 71708@debbugs.gnu.org To: morf Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 23 07:12:16 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sLFWS-000A1B-8U for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 23 Jun 2024 07:12:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sLFWG-0000sm-G7; 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In-Reply-To: <5573cde6-8345-43d2-aa96-c980347ea619@gmail.com> (message from morf on Sun, 23 Jun 2024 00:03:27 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:287759 Archived-At: [Please use Reply All to reply, to keep the bug tracker CC'ed.] > Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 00:03:27 +0200 > From: morf > > Eli Zaretskii wrote on 6/21/24 21:20: > > Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2024 19:03:00 +0200 > From: morf > > However, when: > > [menubar] File > Save As > [Create] button > [tooltip] "Create Folder" > [popup] "Folder Name" (as well as a message "A folder with that name > already exists" when typing in an existing directory name) > > This is an inconsistency. > Since this is Linux, it should be "Create Directory" for the tooltip, "Directory Name" > for the popup, and "A directory with that name already exists" for the message. > > > The dialog shown when you click File->Save As is the GUI dialog > provided by the toolkit (in your case, it seems like GTK+), and Emacs > has very little control on what it says, what it shows, and what are > the tooltips there. > > So I don't think this is an Emacs bug, if at all. > > Hmm -- I actually hadn't realized that. I guess I was put on the wrong footing > because a) the window is reported by xprop as 'Emacs', b) (as the GDK introspection > tool reveals) it has a '#emacs-dialog' css ID and c) it looks a bit different from > the regular file-manager windows on my system. > > Anyway, to be fair I didn't call it a bug, but an inconsistency -- though > admiitedly it isn't even that. > Or was I wrong to post it on THIS list, and is there a more appropriate list to > report such possible issues? This is the right list, but there's nothing we can do about the text in the GTK dialogs, and I very much doubt that GTK folks will change the text to match the Emacs nomenclature. So I think this is an inconsistency we will need to live with.