From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#69525: 30.0.50; MacOS: New warnings on stderr Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2024 09:37:01 +0300 Message-ID: <86a5i32vea.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86a5nfnuxl.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21076"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 69525@debbugs.gnu.org, alan@idiocy.org To: Gerd =?UTF-8?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 27 08:38:16 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sXb4K-0005IC-5w for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 27 Jul 2024 08:38:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sXb40-0004Nj-AK; Sat, 27 Jul 2024 02:37:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sXb3x-0004Na-Vi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Jul 2024 02:37:54 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sXb3x-0002vB-NQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Jul 2024 02:37:53 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sXb46-0001CK-BG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Jul 2024 02:38:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2024 06:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 69525 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 69525-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B69525.17220622484557 (code B ref 69525); Sat, 27 Jul 2024 06:38:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 69525) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jul 2024 06:37:28 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40395 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sXb3Y-0001BR-8E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 27 Jul 2024 02:37:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48774) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sXb3U-0001BD-T3 for 69525@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 27 Jul 2024 02:37:26 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sXb39-0002lc-Pf; Sat, 27 Jul 2024 02:37:03 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=PYYgkfUR3gTqXAgHNiENBmNxDxSPXfpCU2a0CWtHGBk=; b=pWFzf0AQSIMbNp4Gou3V InN71L7fc81J4waGPO+wRNPkIgz9SoLAr5L+SrEFGGKZuRd8fBIiIT+Jc9xgyOaqwLwGsdZVLLeiu jJJgZegw0h97YFFWn3tj0150wTvdgDS2wQGtTkf1AF9PATsucWzHdQDiLIyCMOqKDoJVrK/lRRfnY WwGPboYkLmZ6Dy07LWUmbakNavvz1U2t1w6U77inLdpTzmY591iWoiQV9xa4UiUNLPKxxQXWX2RzV FkBbZru2PKLS2Z/ZLOOLVnJYQF/08dn2p4uP5wWJlAxVydrJKafaVEhMn/r/Sa9VFuebb8gAO+lTz WTOc81KuWfANmQ==; In-Reply-To: (message from Gerd =?UTF-8?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= on Sat, 27 Jul 2024 05:56:30 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:289404 Archived-At: > From: Gerd Möllmann > Cc: 69525@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii > Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2024 05:56:30 +0200 > > Alan Third writes: > > > I would agree that Apple's documentation is abysmal. AFAICT most new > > features are exclusively documented in WWDC talks, so if you're not > > immersed in the Apple eco-system it can be very hard to keep track of > > what's changed. I assume that's some sort of marketing ploy. > > Yeah, could be. Although I wonder what advantage they expect from making > such stuff effectively a secret :-/. Companies that develop proprietary software for macOS can probably fund courses for their employees, or buy auxiliary documentation that is not available for free, or ask Apple questions and get answers, something that could be available only for those who have contracts with Apple.