From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#72328: [PATCH] Nested backquote in pcase Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2024 14:53:26 +0300 Message-ID: <86a5hoo8g9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87jzh62vtr.fsf@gmail.com> <877cd5k1ra.fsf@web.de> <871q3d347e.fsf@gmail.com> <877cd4rxqo.fsf@web.de> <867cd4ywnq.fsf@gnu.org> <87mslumpsw.fsf@gmail.com> <86msluuox9.fsf@gnu.org> <875xshn3km.fsf@gmail.com> <87cymo6wp9.fsf@web.de> <87v80gkmg7.fsf@gmail.com> <86ikwfqj9w.fsf@gnu.org> <87a5hqzrxg.fsf@gmail.com> <86o765q4yo.fsf@gnu.org> <871q31ztju.fsf@gmail.com> <87bk2580rv.fsf@web.de> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4390"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, thuna.cing@gmail.com, 72328@debbugs.gnu.org To: Michael Heerdegen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 07 13:55:02 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sbfFt-0000rh-Uz for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Wed, 07 Aug 2024 07:54:01 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sbfEP-0005BO-Gs; Wed, 07 Aug 2024 07:53:29 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=EUjmEM/iZH2m09mFAs5PulLOtSnfNZkinuUzKT5XBjo=; b=bH0OttntbKTX EeTOghotjJgLcIxPmY9MPPR82PM56ThzTDnn5sK1rEHMaJ1G0uPwWyLLVpJUgZNZLCBIGRy18J67g 1Gh2cODR5u4WBozTZqjF6GHOlSgzoCxxL7I291eq26+jbMLECDKcw/uUiglL2b33iplHeQezEhhkK sbOrXNCLwMY9UmbHiwHqaKffEGfe83ymcj/EHkuz7w960zliryvcnsk2IFWsqnaneyIP5flTLS5vA MnJ7c9rsVsL9+P1TbUr9WUR8gNLvAlf7egUpnsoteza8qlS2H5hJbuVHZLjsw5aWeEEm0InxlG8OE kJ0yO7OI5+cDOB+oCeesyA==; In-Reply-To: <87bk2580rv.fsf@web.de> (message from Michael Heerdegen on Wed, 07 Aug 2024 05:33:40 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:289877 Archived-At: > From: Michael Heerdegen > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, > 72328@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2024 05:33:40 +0200 > > Thuna writes: > > > I don't see how we can discuss whether this patch has enough benefits to > > clear the hurdle of backwards-incompatibility if you are not willing to > > engage with the discussion of what this patch's benefits *are* to begin > > with. > > He sees that of course, but it is not what he has asked for because it > is obviously not enough. > > Eli has to ask these questions, he is just doing his job. He has to > weight backward incompatibilities and potential breakage against > potential further improvements. The second is what his question is > about. If you as the one who proposes this change can't answer it with > concrete examples, how could he come to a decision? > > So I suggest to avoid meta discussions about what we expect and > how others should behave and, even if it sucks, try to answer Eli's > questions without questioning his reasons and intentions all the time. Thanks for representing my POV so clearly.