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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
Cc: mattias.engdegard@gmail.com, 70784@debbugs.gnu.org,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, drew.adams@oracle.com
Subject: bug#70784: Abolish string resizing
Date: Tue, 07 May 2024 14:13:30 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <868r0lc1t1.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ttjb3yzy.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Mon, 06 May 2024 20:29:05 +0800)

> From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
> Cc: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>,  mattias.engdegard@gmail.com,
>   70784@debbugs.gnu.org,  monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
> Date: Mon, 06 May 2024 20:29:05 +0800
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > Which is why no one is proposing to make string immutable.  This is
> > not what this proposal is about, and Mattias made a point of saying
> > that explicitly.
> 
> The point is that CL string implementations are capable of modifying
> strings in such a manner as Mattias proposes to "abolish".  I presume
> some are implemented as Emacs's are, while others simply use a
> representation for multibyte strings where all characters are the same
> wide size (which incidentally there's nothing preventing Emacs from
> implementing).

That doesn't really matter.  "Other applications" do things that Emacs
doesn't necessarily want to do, or vice versa.  E.g., consider our
support for raw bytes in multibyte strings, which is quite unique.

What _would_ matter is if there are important use cases out there
where replacing one character by another character of a different
multibyte length.  So if you, or anyone else, can come up with such
situations (which are not made up specifically to argue here), please
do, because knowing about such situations would be useful to make this
discussion serious and based on facts.





  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-07 11:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-05 12:33 bug#70784: Abolish string resizing Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-05 14:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-05 14:18   ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-05 15:23     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-05 16:55       ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-05 17:10         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-05 18:09           ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-05 18:14             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-05 20:08               ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06  1:01                 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06  6:02                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-05-08 23:25                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-05-08 23:24           ` Richard Stallman
2024-05-09  1:14             ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-26  9:02       ` Stefan Kangas
2024-05-26  9:17         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-26 18:03           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-26 18:45             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-27  3:42               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-28  2:23           ` Richard Stallman
2024-05-05 18:09     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-05 20:24       ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-05 21:14         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-11 15:20           ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-11 16:21             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-15 17:30             ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-15 17:47               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-15 19:35                 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-25 11:24                 ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-25 11:37                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-25 13:01                     ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-05-06  0:53 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06  1:56   ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06 11:35     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-06 12:29       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-07 11:13         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2024-05-07 13:41           ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06  2:41   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06  4:41     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-06 10:57     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-06 11:26   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-06 12:23     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-05-07 11:19       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-05-08 23:25   ` Richard Stallman

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