From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#40774: Error messages shouldn't be hidden when the user is idle Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 09:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <868b0762-2179-4206-9684-1b944affbbfe@default> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="129075"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: ndame , 40774@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 22 18:28:17 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jRIES-000XSB-RH for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 18:28:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54092 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRIER-0001rU-W4 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:27:52 +0000 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (userp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 03MGCJDl187943; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:27:51 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 30gb1jwf72-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:27:51 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 03MGRnHR008020; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:27:49 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4966.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9599 signatures=668686 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 phishscore=0 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 mlxscore=0 malwarescore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2004220123 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9599 signatures=668686 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxlogscore=999 mlxscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 bulkscore=0 clxscore=1011 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 spamscore=0 priorityscore=1501 impostorscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2004220123 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:178808 Archived-At: > If a message is printed in the echo area then it can be hidden in two way= s: either the user uses some command and the echo area is cleared automatic= ally or an other message comes which replaces the previous one. > I use several timers which perform recurring or background tasks, e.g. fe= tching things from the network. When there is an error in such a timer then= often I only know about it by noticing that the task does not produce the = usual results, e.g. fails to update something, because other progress messa= ges hide the printed errors. > A better way can be if error messages can't be hidden if the user is idle= . When I'm using emacs then I usually notice the error, but if I'm in an ot= her app and the error occurs in the meantime then often it's hidden by a pr= ogress message by the time I switch back to emacs. > So when the user is not idle then things should work as today. But if the= user is idle (e.g. uses an other app or is away from the computer) then er= ror messages should not be hidden by other messages, rather they should all= be shown in a multiline echo area, so when the user gets back to emacs he = can see all the errors which happened while he was away. My suggestion would instead be this: As an _option_ (i.e. one can easily turn it off), have buffer `*Messages*' = be displayed on an idle timer. You can do this yourself, now, BTW. But it might be good for Emacs to offe= r this out of the box.