From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sebastien Vauban Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21140: 25.0.50; Isearch "char-fold" by default Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 16:34:30 +0200 Organization: Sebastien Vauban Message-ID: <866155mzyh.fsf@example.com> References: <86vbd5n27r.fsf@example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1438007731 27468 80.91.229.3 (27 Jul 2015 14:35:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 14:35:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 21140-ubl+/3LiMTaZdePnXv/OxA@public.gmane.org To: Artur Malabarba Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Mon Jul 27 16:35:20 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZJjUn-0005eo-EN for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 16:35:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53943 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZJjUm-0007v5-Ul for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:35:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48521) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZJjUh-0007qV-Km for bug-gnu-emacs-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:35:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZJjUc-0002m9-Qt for bug-gnu-emacs-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:35:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:58887) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZJjUc-0002lr-OS for bug-gnu-emacs-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:35:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZJjUc-0006HM-8T for bug-gnu-emacs-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:35:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org In-Reply-To: <86vbd5n27r.fsf-hcDgGtZH8xNBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org> Resent-From: Sebastien Vauban Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 14:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21140 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21140-submit-ubl+/3LiMTaZdePnXv/OxA@public.gmane.org id=B21140.143800768124097 (code B ref 21140); Mon, 27 Jul 2015 14:35:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21140) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jul 2015 14:34:41 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60329 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZJjUG-0006Ga-MM for submit-ubl+/3LiMTaZdePnXv/OxA@public.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:34:40 -0400 Original-Received: from dd5e0353a.access.telenet.be ([213.224.53.58]:48746 helo=mail.missioncriticalit.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZJjUE-0006GP-Tz for 21140-ubl+/3LiMTaZdePnXv/OxA@public.gmane.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:34:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mundaneum (unknown [10.10.10.51]) by mail.missioncriticalit.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DA24500074; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 16:34:37 +0200 (CEST) X-Url: Under construction... X-Archive: encrypt User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (windows-nt) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit-ubl+/3LiMTaZdePnXv/OxA@public.gmane.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:105158 Archived-At: Artur Malabarba writes: >> First, the default behavior seems changed, and I'm not really aware >> (yet) of what exactly "char folding" is. I did not found any >> definition for this, even if I have some ideas. > > There's another thread here about hiding that string from the > prompt. I agree it's a little confusing, and char folding can be used > without flashing it on the user. Somebody offered to do something > about it, though I forget who. I wasn't specifically asking to remove it from the prompt. If "char-fold isearch" is a different beast from the "default Emacs 24 isearch", then it should be visible somehow. And I've no current opinion on whether or not that should be displayed in the prompt (or somewhere else). >> Second, I don't think the new default is right. I prefer to search >> for text, not for regexps by default. Otherwise, we could also >> invert `C-s' and `C-M-s', right? > > Char fold search is a text search, not a regexp search. It does use > a regexp underneath, but that should be invisible to the user. You > type some text and it matches that text or similar texts. "Char fold" search is a "fuzzy" search, then, similar to https://github.com/auto-complete/fuzzy-el? What comes the name "char fold" from? It's not very intuitive to me that it's some sort of fuzzy search; moreover, it looks like "case fold" search, which is again something different... >> Finally, it *seems* buggy to me when using `C-w' to complete the >> search pattern (or shouldn't we use that anymore?). > > I can't see your link on my phone, but if it's like you describe then > it's certainly a bug. I'll try out your examples when I get home. Thanks! Best regards, Seb