From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#71172: Info: Fixing Case: mention both ways Date: Fri, 24 May 2024 15:45:13 +0300 Message-ID: <865xv32xba.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87bk4w55xy.3.fsf@jidanni.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40011"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 71172@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dan Jacobson Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri May 24 14:48:25 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sAULQ-000A8W-1y for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 May 2024 14:48:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sAUL1-0001or-TU; Fri, 24 May 2024 08:47:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sAUKy-0001gV-8y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2024 08:47:56 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sAUKy-0007iP-0I for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2024 08:47:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sAUL4-0004sE-T2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2024 08:48:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 24 May 2024 12:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 71172 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 71172-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B71172.171655487018708 (code B ref 71172); Fri, 24 May 2024 12:48:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 71172) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 May 2024 12:47:50 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36992 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sAUKq-0004rf-Ud for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2024 08:47:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35556) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sAUKj-0004rW-Rh; Fri, 24 May 2024 08:47:47 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sAUIQ-0006dJ-FE; Fri, 24 May 2024 08:45:18 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=ZpMdsGAq7n17rbAdQS+AiIZDvAQopUvfGpLkbInPOe4=; b=nq/oYqZVhIp9lwQG9C5/ imdLLCW4QG+gvBsYouZm90zYBxwxfkQlNjjfr0bCgOJ3W+8l0Sarg9wI82fkMrCeHpvVLPZ0sk1Hy BPCJwfhSFABGuZjbtmBiQB5Wwfe5JLgJVKuUlj2NpQljZpe1y9pWTi+fQUkeuPti3UxCNI+3FitMs dubny2S+LBsO7ZG7rKuJKTyPAOH7YeMwcMr6gqFK/P7E9u/Y9pWqdfNrNowyBgIPhG55Z2eLwlXT2 tSWFk1P20mPRfDzAZqqbf11x4dmn44BYwbRkTnEPg6nyGsiPnf7eVjSFksPYg5+HcmurFcrqwnG5h gIYsz6GO53QAGQ==; In-Reply-To: <87bk4w55xy.3.fsf@jidanni.org> (message from Dan Jacobson on Fri, 24 May 2024 09:55:53 +0800) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:285768 Archived-At: tags 71172 notabug wontfix close 71172 thanks > From: Dan Jacobson > Date: Fri, 24 May 2024 09:55:53 +0800 > > On (info "(emacs) Fixing Case") be sure to mention the other way too!: > < ‘M-- M-l’ > > ‘M-- M-l’ (or 'M-b M-l') > < ‘M-- M-u’ > > ‘M-- M-u’ (or 'M-b M-u') > < ‘M-- M-c’ > > ‘M-- M-c’ (or 'M-b M-c') Why? The point of M-- is that you do NOT need to go backwards, as with other editors. With the above logic, we'd also need to document that C-M-r \b M-c and C-M-r \< M-c and C-M-r \Sw M-c and gazillion other ways, are _also_ the way of fixing the case of word before point. To say nothing of the fact that "M-- M-c" guarantees that point will remain where it was (so you can safely keep typing afterwards), whereas all the other methods above do not. E.g., try your M-b method when there's one or more SPC characters between point and the end of the previous word. The Emacs manual shows the recommended most convenient and correct practices. It doesn't (and should NOT) show all of the possible ways, let alone complex and inconvenient onces. So I don't think we should do what you suggest, and I'm therefore closing this bug.