From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#51883: 29.0.50; Command to get accidentally deleted frames back Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 20:10:20 +0200 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <864k5v3ak7.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <87czn1gfb1.fsf@web.de> <838rxo0zk7.fsf@gnu.org> <83tugbyliv.fsf@gnu.org> <1adc044f473776dc3748@heytings.org> <83v90ouyp7.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13954"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, Gregory Heytings , 51883@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 22 19:22:14 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nBL1h-0003UJ-FD for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2022 19:22:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46972 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nBL1g-00050d-Ir for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2022 13:22:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60946) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nBKyd-00022G-HT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2022 13:19:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:44951) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nBKyd-0006fj-79 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2022 13:19:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nBKyd-0002SU-2j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2022 13:19:03 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 18:19:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51883 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 51883-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51883.16428755149385 (code B ref 51883); Sat, 22 Jan 2022 18:19:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 51883) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jan 2022 18:18:34 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37851 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nBKyA-0002RJ-7X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2022 13:18:34 -0500 Original-Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.195]:40179) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nBKy6-0002R1-64 for 51883@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2022 13:18:30 -0500 Original-Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4D8FE60004; Sat, 22 Jan 2022 18:18:21 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83v90ouyp7.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 19 Nov 2021 14:17:24 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:224854 Archived-At: >> I hear your arguments, but IMO that would be like making "undo" opt-in. >> I also wouldn't call that a "minor" feature, it's worth an entry in the >> File menu. Indeed we don't know what this could cause with exotic usage >> patterns, so I suggest, given that the release of Emacs 29 is far away in >> the future, to make it opt-out on the trunk, and if someone protests >> because it breaks their usage pattern before Emacs 29 is released, to make >> it opt-in instead. > > No, please make it opt-in from the get-go, which will also remove the > need for some of the code which messes with the initial frame. If > many users will request it be on by default, we will then reconsider. Many users already requested it be on by default.