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[99.230.51.196]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m10sm172289569ioj.75.2019.08.08.11.06.26 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 08 Aug 2019 11:06:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0d832886-8112-4331-bd84-b9edbeac4398@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 8 Aug 2019 10:25:08 -0700 (PDT)") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:164776 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> > I've said before (not in this thread, most likely) >> > that I think that the Emacs manuals should use the >> > exact same notation that Emacs itself uses >> > interactively. >> > >> > That means the manuals should use , not >> > C-. But they don't. >> >> Having Emacs print C-, as suggested in the OP, >> would also solve the consistency, yes? > > Yes, of course. At the cost of a lot of code > changes, not to mention user mind changes. ;-) I don't think the code change would be that large (but we've not seen a patch yet). >> > FWIW, I've also argued that we do not need >> > angle-bracket notation at all. We can drop >> > it and still be completely unambiguous and >> > consistent. >> >> That assumes all function key names are longer >> than one letter, right? > > Yes [...] > Presumably the key described as `' (or > `M-', per Xah), where `' is a function > key, would correspond to event `M-d', which > might already be problematic (no?). I don't think so, (kbd "M-d") => [?\M-d], but (kbd "") => [M-D]. > but have you ever come across a single-char > function-key name? No (and I didn't mean to say that assuming all function key names are multi-character is unreasonable).