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[99.230.38.42]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 64sm14219782qkd.78.2020.03.04.08.04.49 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 04 Mar 2020 08:04:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83sgiow3du.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 04 Mar 2020 17:23:09 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:176843 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> I cannot call turn-on-orgtbl without (require 'org). >> It is autoload function. I guess this is bug. > > Is it? The autoloads from the org-*.el files go to org-loaddefs.el, > which is loaded by org.el. So this looks to me correct and expected. I think it's mainly a problem with the *Help* display causing wrong expectations, see also Bug#26782 "describe-function and autoloads not in main loaddefs" and Bug#33901 "cl-letf is unexpectedly not autoloaded". https://debbugs.gnu.org/26782 https://debbugs.gnu.org/33901